Buddha Nature ?

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Re: Buddha Nature ?

Postby PeterB » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:18 am

There is a possible difference right there Sonam. the Theravada does not see the Enlightenment of the Buddha as the same as the Enlightenment of an ordinary person.
The Buddha is Samasambuddhasa, the completely awakened one, teacher of Gods and men.
Only one of which arises in any given era.
Your point about Buddha Nature indicating anatman is illogical.
Anatta is a negative statement. A statement concerning the absence of a quality. Why would we need another term to indicate the absence of a quality ?
We dont unless we embark on a parallel discussion of the Mahayana view of Shunyata which is another complex of uncanonical speculations added on to the corpus of the Buddhas teachings centuries after the event.
After the collective lack of nerve which resulted in a retreat to vedantic thought brought to its logical conclusion by Nagarjuna.

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Re: Buddha Nature ?

Postby PeterB » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:36 am

Unless " who had reached the same state " refers to the state of a Samasambuddhasa, which clearly by implication is not only a difference in function..

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Re: Buddha Nature ?

Postby Sönam » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:36 am

Ok Peter ... I see your (Theravadin) point of view, and as I say in my previous message I'm not going to argue more bacause "then I would certainly be pulled out as soon as my first sentence ... "
+ I suppose many of more educated than me and (maybe) you, have started this kind of endless discussion. I just note than absolutely "no" one has the potential of a Bouddha such as Shakyamouni and what ever one would act, even for eons, he will never reach that specific state ... therefore the "base" of Bouddha Shakyamouni is not the same "base" than our.

But then where all that started from for Buddha Shakyamouni ... eons ago ?

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Re: Buddha Nature ?

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Re: Buddha Nature ?

Postby PeterB » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:41 am

Certainly its a well worn path Sonam..
I am sure there are a whole galaxy of issues on which we can agree.
The subject of "Buddha Nature" on a Theravadin website is perhaps not the place to discover those points of agreement.. :smile:

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Re: Buddha Nature ?

Postby Sönam » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:01 am

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Re: Buddha Nature ?

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Re: Buddha Nature ?

Postby PeterB » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:18 am

But thats the point isnt it Ven Huifeng ?
The Buddha used nuanced speech to indicate an absence of qualities assumed to have a positive existence in the religious culture in which he took birth.
There is it seems to me more than a matter of emphasis between the Canonical use of a term like "sunna" and the use of a highly developed set of concepts like " Shunyata"..culminating in the Vajrayana with 78 or 92 or 18 different types of "Emptiness..."

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Re: Buddha Nature ?

Postby Sönam » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:24 am

happy to see you there Venerable Huifeng ...

Peter, in Vajrayana there is "only" one emptiness ... I would be curious to consult the sources you use to state that. By definition emptiness is non dual ...

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Re: Buddha Nature ?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:57 am

Greetings,

I've got nothing to say other than to send a hi to Sönam.

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Re: Buddha Nature ?

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Re: Buddha Nature ?

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Re: Buddha Nature ?

Postby PeterB » Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:56 pm

I was actually referring Ven Huifeng to attending teachings ( when in my protracted Vajrayana phase, from which I have made a full recovery :) ) titled things like " The Nine Types Of Emptiness"..

But once more the whole discussion is miring me in a pool of ennui, and reminding me of my reasons for seeking out a Theravada forum in the first place.. :anjali:

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Re: Buddha Nature ?

Postby Sönam » Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:27 pm

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Re: Buddha Nature ?

Postby Sönam » Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:32 pm

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Re: Buddha Nature ?

Postby PeterB » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:43 pm

My interest was piqued suffiently to arouse me from my ennui and to find my notes from the teachings I attended.
They were by Khenpo Tsultrim Gyatso Rinpoche and were titled " The Twenty Kinds Of Emptiness".

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