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E-Sangha

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Re: E-Sangha

Postby jcsuperstar » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:54 pm

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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: E-Sangha

Postby clw_uk » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:57 pm

One thing that seems to come accross on reading some posts on here and also on e-sangha itself is that people appear to be getting to involved in the site itself forgetting that it is just a friendly discussion about dhamma.

I dont think anyone on e-sangha has set out to intentionaly offend people/groups although it does on some occasions come accross as such.

Any website, organisation etc that offers a platform to discuss and spread dhamma in a peaceful and friendly way is doing a great service. I think troubles occur when, as stated above, people become to attached.

Thats just my take on things anyway :smile:

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Re: E-Sangha

Postby Placid-pool » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:06 pm

I'm sure that ESangha provides a useful and necessary forum for discussion ... well, before this one was created - I just got utterly and totally fed up with the pervs that joined purely to air their obssessions and then tried to argue from a Dhamma point of view when someone asked them politely to stow it.

I know that all fora attract their fair share of nits but that one seemed to get more than theirs of people who needed serious psychiatric help.

And I agree - the best solution, if one is unhappy is to walk. Walk away and don't discuss it any more. The people who are left are happy there, the people who leave are happier - end of problem.

A similar situation happened on one of the bigger Pagan fora - many of us upped and offed. But there are still people around, four years down the line bad-mouthing everyone who has anything to do with it on any forum they can find ....... unhealthy and unhelpful.

Now let's all have a nice cup of tea and wish them well - they're welcome to a bit of cake any time too. I am totally non-sectarian in my cake-sharing :toast:

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Re: E-Sangha

Postby jcsuperstar » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:11 pm

i think its just a matter of mixing traditions and thinking theres not going to be problems, as if all buddhist traditions have gotten along just fine up until the internet.

dhammawheel is a bit different from esangha as it has a focus of sorts that while open to all traditions theres an expectation that theravada isnt going to be subjected to being "real buddhisms" kid brother. we dont have to deal with hinayana this or provisional buddhism that.

there was once a question posed by a member over there as to why other sects where dismissive of their sect, and i replied that all the members of their sect i had ever met never knew any teachings of buddhism outside of that sect. and i got back basicly that there was no need to learn "provisional buddhism" i didnt go back to respond, but i was left thinking, there's the answer to your question as to why other buddhist dont think to highly of your sect...
and this atitude is found pretty much in all sects,

theres seems to be this attitude that theravada is the basics or foundation of mahayana, but doesnt that imply that it's what you learn first? so all those on the mahayana path should be not only well aquainted with the doctrines of theravada but at least to the level of stream enterer, as that would at least meant that they had the "basics" down before moving on right?

i dont know.. people like to have the last word, and people like to be right, and sometimes its just too much to just leave things be. and the internet lets people say things to other people they may never say in real life. which is a double edged sword
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: E-Sangha

Postby davcuts » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:26 pm

I hope I didn't come across as badmouthing e-Sangha. I have no desire to leave. It just feels different. I suppose I am attached to it. It's the only Sangha I've got so it means a lot to me. I'm sad to see people leave, and yes that does come from attachment. I'm also a moderator for a group and I know it's not always easy. I've had to ban people, mainly trolls. I can understand why some people have been removed from e-Sangha. Why some had to be banned is still a mystery to me. Ultimately I have to respect e-Sangha's policies. While I do that I'll try to work on my attachment. :cry:

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Re: E-Sangha

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Re: E-Sangha

Postby Dharmajim » Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:28 am

There is an aspect to the history of e-sangha that I think should be taken into account. Many of the initial participants at e-sangha had bitter experience with previous online inter-Buddhist forums. I am thinking particularly of Tricycle, which used to operate an online forum that in some ways was structured along the lines of e-sangha. I was a participant in the Tricycle Forum, so I am speaking from firsthand knowledge.

The Tricycle Forum collapsed due to Tricycle's inability to effectively moderate trolls who became more and more aggressive. Some of their posts bordered on the threatening. My recollection is that at least one person was actually threatened. Sarcasm and name calling became pervasive. When it reached that stage Tricycle closed it down, and I don't blame them. It takes a lot of time and commitment to moderate such a forum and achieving the right balance is a difficult challenge. That is why, when one small Tibetan sect was banned from e-sangha that, in my experience, did not deserve it, I did not protest. I felt that I understood the motivation, which was not to have a repeat of what happened at Tricycle (and some other early online inter-Buddhist groups; for example there was a very large, many thousands, inter-Buddhist group at MSN groups which collapsed for similar reasons).

Understanding this background has helped me to comprehend some of the decisions that were made even when I didn't agree with them. I hope this is of some assistance.

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Re: E-Sangha

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:45 am

:hello: Hi, Bo!

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Retro. :)
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Postby genkaku » Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:47 am

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Postby retrofuturist » Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:04 am

Thanks Bo... it's cooled down over the last day or two back into the 30's... so back to "normal Summer".

Metta,
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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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