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Why there is no re-linking consciousness

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Re: Why there is no re-linking consciousness

Postby elaine » Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:31 am

Why there is no re-linking consciousness? I think there is a relinking consciousness or else "what" would "link" our past consciousness to the future consciousness during rebirth, right?


"Consciousness is like a seed (vinnanam bijam) for the growth of the relinking consciousness (patisandhi vinnana) and craving (tanha) is likened to the moisture or water element, which is an essential factor for its growth. A new conditioning consciousness (abhisankhara vinnana) that conditions new becoming takes as its object kamma, a sign of kamma, or a sign of destiny at the moment of dying. There are two causes for new life: kamma and tanha. But kamma without tanha cannot bring about new becoming. Tanha is the main cause. Therefore, it is said that tanha produces rebirth.

The consciousness that arises at the first moment of conception, is known as relinking consciousness, also takes as its object kamma, a sign of kamma, or a sign of destiny. The relinking consciousness is followed by the life continuum consciousness (bhavanga citta) which goes on continuously throughout life, even if there is no sense consciousness arising. According to the Abhidhamma, relinking consciousness, life continuum consciousness, and death consciousness within a single life are all in the same category. They arise as the result of one particular kamma in the past life that appeared at the moment of dying. Thus, tanha forms the root cause of the new existence or new becoming." - from the book, The First Discourse of the Buddha By Revatadhamma, Rewata Dhamma.


Personally, I don't believe in an immediate rebirth, I believe in Bardo, although Theravadins do not believe in a Bardo. Rebirth is supposedly immediate, right? But these assumptions are all just theoretical and speculative, obviously it cannot be proven by non-enlightened beings, right?

Edit: wait, I think I just contradicted myself. The first paragraph and the last paragraph don't match! Oh well... :embarassed:

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Re: Why there is no re-linking consciousness

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Element, everyone;

You may find it challenging to consider the significant challenges to all functionalist theories of any kind for fully and accurately describing the nature of and interrelationships between what is elsewhere referred to as mentality/materiality or the mind/body.

Nama has limited usefulness.

See the two pdfs linked in the Articles section near the bottom of this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Nagel

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1998, "Conceiving the Impossible and the Mind-Body Problem", Philosophy, vol. 73, no. 285, pp. 337-352. Online PDF

2000, "The Psychophysical Nexus", in Paul Boghossian and Christopher Peacocke (eds.) New Essays on the A Priori, Oxford: Clarendon Press, pp. 432-471. Online PDF
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Why there is no re-linking consciousness

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The whole re-linking consciousness teaching comes from a misinterpretation of the the Buddhas Teaching on Dependent Origination.

Taking it as a model for rebirth it requires a re-linking consciousness but since the buddha did not teach Dependent Origination as a model of rebirth there is no re-linking consciousness in the Buddhas teachings.
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Re: Why there is no re-linking consciousness

Postby nathan » Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:12 pm

There is a rebirth linking ignorance, find that and I believe you've got the sucker causing all the problems. :rofl:

It is said that in some kinds of divine or non-return type of births there is conscious knowledge of passing in one world and of re-arising in another which demonstrates a conscious continuity of a kind but there is still a complete release and re-arising of clinging again elsewhere. These are fairly conditionally specific conditions which we cannot demonstrate here, aren't they? Short of such noble accomplishments there would be ignorance of what occurs and of what one was and is, which pretty well describes us.
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}


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