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National Traditions VS Buddhism

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National Traditions VS Buddhism

Postby Roath » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:06 am

Dear All,

A friend of mine asked me the following questions because he wants to have more understanding of Buddhism after I talked about it with him.

Q1: Should we follow our unreasonable traditional practices after becoming a Buddhist? As some customs do make no sense at all in terms of 4 Noble Truths and Noble Eightfold Paths or Wisdom normally praised by the Buddha.

Q2: Are the religious rituals in Buddhism justifiable based on the cause-and-effect principles?

Q3: How does Buddhism justify the existence of heaven and hell and those many levels of them?

Your help and response with some reference links are highly appreciated for the sake of Buddhism being able to exist until Year 5,000 or even beyond that.

Yours in Dhamma,
Roath

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Re: National Traditions VS Buddhism

Postby cooran » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:25 am

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---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
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Re: National Traditions VS Buddhism

Postby Kim OHara » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:52 am

Hi, Roath, and welcome to DW.
You might find some useful responses to your questions in an existing thread - 'Full Theravada',
:namaste:
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Re: National Traditions VS Buddhism

Postby cooran » Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:35 am

Hello Stefan,

A few suttas which I see as pointing to some things that are beginning to occur more frequently in the world:

Ani Sutta The Peg SN 20.7
The Counterfeit of the True Dhamma SN 16.13
Kimila Sutta AN 7.56

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Re: National Traditions VS Buddhism

Postby alan » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:50 pm

*(Trying to maintain right speech)*

Please explain. I don't understand your response.

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Re: National Traditions VS Buddhism

Postby alan » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:42 pm

I'll clarify and then lay off.
By saying "of course" we should not do X, you are, obviously, assuming that there are such things, and that you know what they are. But then you go on to question that very assumption. Do you see the flaw in this reasoning?
No snark here, and I don't mean to offend. To my earlier response, I'll just point out that the Suttas given seemed relevant and to the point. Not sure what evidence you require.
Good Luck,
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(Edited for grammar).

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Re: National Traditions VS Buddhism

Postby Roath » Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:44 am

Hello Chris : Thank you for your nicely-put answers.

Please give examples of "unreasonable traditional practices".
Eg. Chinese people believe that by putting food and other offerings like paper/toy house, car, etc. in front of their dead relatives’ tombs during certain Chinese traditional festival time, those dead relatives will be able to receive those things and in return help their living relatives/children/grandchildren have good luck and run businesses well, etc.
Eg. Some Chinese would burn paper money to send to their dead loved ones.

To which religious rituals are you referring?
Eg. Normally, in Cambodia and Thailand, Buddhists perform rituals (Kathen Dana) following Buddhist monks’
3-month retreats.
Eg. Buddhist Monks spray water to Buddhist followers asking for happiness during certain auspicious days (Full-Moon Day, etc.)

Hello Kim : Thank you for referring me to the existing thread full of new knowledge.

Hello Sobeh: Thank you for your nicely-put answers.

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Re: National Traditions VS Buddhism

Postby Roath » Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:31 am

Dear David,
You said “These are not unreasonable”. Can you show me their credible/rational reasons behind them? Besides showing respect and gratitude, what else?

Dear Kim,
I think : blaming things/people worth blaming (unreasonable practices in the past/primitive period like burning girls/sheep to offer to God, asking God for things to happen or to send you things, all these kinds of similar stuff ect.) is alright and admiring people worth admiring (like praising the Buddhas) is also alright. I mean I wouldn’t bother to do such and advice my loved ones to do such since life is too short to walk on a wrong path, when it comes to endless cycle of birth and death? Maybe I’m too self-opinionated sometimes!

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Re: National Traditions VS Buddhism

Postby Roath » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:53 am

Dear oceanmen : Thank you for your help with heaven-hell justification.

Dear Kim : I wouldn’t bother to blame the said toddler for s/he is too young to understand things and how to deal with things properly but I would try and advice him/her how to do so as much as I can if I could.

If the caveman gets to ask me as an honest observer how his deed is considered, then I would faithfully inform him with metta and loving-kindness that what he’s been doing is not at all correct because by offering the deity the most beautiful girls in the tribe won’t help him do away with his own defilement deeply rooted in his mind, but instead it’s one of his wrongdoing or unwholesome deed accumulation which will bring him even worse results next life (deeper ignorance).

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Re: National Traditions VS Buddhism

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