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Confessions of a Buddhist Atheist

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: Confessions of a Buddhist Atheist

Postby PeterB » Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:51 pm

Hmmmm. I think Batchelor's book is timely.

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Re: Confessions of a Buddhist Atheist

Postby pilgrim » Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:56 pm

Between the views expressed by Batchelor and those expressed by the Buddha, to me, there is no contest.
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Re: Confessions of a Buddhist Atheist

Postby PeterB » Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:59 pm

Maybe there actually IS no contest. As always it all depends on interpretation.
Speculating about what the Buddha taught about the D.O. of non material beings seems a far stretch to me.

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Re: Confessions of a Buddhist Atheist

Postby PeterB » Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:57 pm

Certainly his experience as a monk under a Tibetan teacher who seems to have combined some fairly superstious views with a very heavy handed approach to teaching, seems likely to have shaped his views. A teacher btw who also made his own opposition to vipassana practise clear.

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Re: Confessions of a Buddhist Atheist

Postby Bankei » Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:54 pm

Who was his Tibetan teacher?
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Re: Confessions of a Buddhist Atheist

Postby PeterB » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:17 am

I know about Rabten's opposition to Vipassana both from reading Batchelor on the subject and because Batchelor told me that Rabten was very discouraging of his or anyones practising it.
As to superstition, as I gather you are a Vajrayana practitioner it is perhaps more in keeping wirh Right Speech if I simply withdraw those words rather than detail my meaning to you.

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Re: Confessions of a Buddhist Atheist

Postby Nibbida » Tue May 04, 2010 2:20 pm

You know, it's funny. Years ago, this whole issue of rebirth, the accepting/rejecting/agnostic approachs, seemed so important to me. I felt I had to have some clear position on the issue, as if my practice could not progress without having some certainty first.

Now it really feels like a non-issue. Whatever is, is. Practicing kindness, insight into impermanence and not-self, developing equanimity & concentration: this is all that matters now. My white-knuckled grip on the need for certainty over doctrinal issues has somehow dropped by the wayside. Maybe there are answers for certain things. In which case, good. Maybe for other things there are no factual answers to be had. Just as good. Wait and see.

I'm starting to see the value behind Seung Sahn's admonition to "always keep don't know mind."

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Re: Confessions of a Buddhist Atheist

Postby PeterB » Tue May 04, 2010 2:33 pm

And what exactly does " always keep dont know mind " equate to if translated into something approaching English ? Throw out our discriminating faculty ? Emulate children ? Divest ourselves of our education in order to discover our inner noble savage ? Or what ?
Its the kind of sentiment which in a certain context is assumed to be self explanatory...but as far as I am concerned is not.
If in a Buddhist context i dont know something I turn to the Canon, and I wrestle with its meaning.
Afterwards I may or may not know more about whatever...but at least I do not know on a more informed level..
It seems to me that there are other alternatives to " white knuckle certainty " on the one hand and leaving our head at the door on the other.
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Re: Confessions of a Buddhist Atheist

Postby Nibbida » Tue May 04, 2010 3:35 pm

Hah. I take it as staying away from the need to cling to certainty, or attachment to views.

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Re: Confessions of a Buddhist Atheist

Postby PeterB » Tue May 04, 2010 3:39 pm

Whats wrong with certainty or views ? Batchelor has views. And he is cerain about what he finds unhelpful.
When did views become a bad thing...out side of certain interpretations of Zen ?


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