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Is it possible that plants have some sort of consciousness?

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Is it possible that plants have some sort of consciousness?

Postby smokey » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:37 pm

What would be the Abdhidhammic view regarding this matter?

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Re: Is it possible that plants have some sort of consciousness?

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Re: Is it possible that plants have some sort of consciousness?

Postby Ben » Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:38 am

Hi all
Just a reminder:
Please answer from the Abhidhamma or Abhidhamma commentaries.
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Re: Is it possible that plants have some sort of consciousness?

Postby cooran » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:22 am

Hello all,

These extracts may be of interest ~ especially the one from Ven. Dhammanando:

This is the key point. The belief that plants and the earth possess one
faculty (either kaayindriya or jiivitindriya) was held by the
Niga.n.thas (Jains) and acelakas (non-affiliated naked ascetics); since
these were the largest and oldest sama.na groups at that time, their
beliefs had passed into common lore and so any sama.na worth his salt
was expected to conform to them (by keeping the rains retreat so as not
to tread on growing crops, by not digging the earth or damaging plants,
and by taking various precautions when building a hut). But nowhere
does the Buddha actually concede that these beliefs were correct and in
the Vinaya commentaries they are dismissed as "mere imagining".

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Dhammanando

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Apparently there is reference to ekindriya jiva in Vin. IV, 183
(Oldenberg I, 137). This singular faculty is the sense of touch (from
another source referenced as being Vin. A. 575)

C: A = Commentary. I don't have it. But see See

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/sbe17/sbe17005.htm --
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From the Patimokkha, suddhapaacittiyaa, The Section about plant beings,
11:

"In causing damage to plant beings there is an offence entailing
expiation."

From SuttaVibhanga (Horner transl), the account leading up to this rule is
given:

"....at Alavi in the chief shrine at Alavi. Now at that time the monks of
Alavi, making repairs, were cutting down trees and having them cut down;
and a certain monk of Alavi cut down a tree, and the devata living in that
tree said to this monk:

"Do not, honoured sir, desiring to make an abode for yourself, cut down my
abode."

This monk, taking no notice, cut it down, and in doing so, struck the arm
of that devata's son. Then it occurred to that devata:

"What now if I, just here, should deprive this monk of life?" Then it
occurred to that devata:

"But this would not be suiting in me, that I were, just here, to deprive
this monk of life. What now if I were to tell this matter to the lord?"

Then this devata approached the lord, and having approached she told this
matter to the lord.

"Very good, devata, it is good that you, devata, did not deprive this monk
of life. If today you, devata, had deprived this monk of life, you,
devata, would also have produced much demerit. You go, devata; in a
certain place there is a solitary tree, go you into it."

People looked down upon, criticised, spread it about, saying:

"How can these recluses, sons of the Sakyans, cut down trees and have them
cut down? These recluses, sons of the Sakyans, are harming life that is
one-facultied." Monks heard these people who looked down upon, criticised,
spread it about. Those who were modest monks looked down upon, criticised,
spread it about, saying:

"How can these monks of Alavi cut down trees and have them cut down?"....

"Is it true, as is said, that you, monks, cut down trees and had them cut
down?"

"It is true, lord," they said.

The enlightened one, the lord, rebuked them, saying:

"How can you, foolish men, cut down trees and have them cut down? Is it
not, foolish men, for pleasing those who are not (yet) pleased.....And
thus, monks, this rule of training should be set forth:

For destruction of vegetable growth there is an offence of expiation."

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Re: Is it possible that plants have some sort of consciousness?

Postby smokey » Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:46 pm

Thank you all. This certainly helped. I too have a view that plants are alive.

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Re: Is it possible that plants have some sort of consciousness?

Postby Wind » Thu May 06, 2010 12:59 am

Interesting post, Pannapetar. I agree consciousness seems to get a little fuzzy when you go down to the lower forms of life. And plants seems to operate on a totally different manner. I remember back in e-sangha someone posted the reason why plants are not sentient is because the plant realm is not included in the cycle of rebirths; and that sentient beings are karma-driven while plants are environmentally-driven. It's too bad, I wouldn't mind being born a tree. :jumping:

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Re: Is it possible that plants have some sort of consciousness?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 06, 2010 1:12 am

Greetings,

This topic seems to have been exhausted from an Abhidhamma perspective, so this topic will be closed.

If anyone has further information specifically from the Abhidhamma Pitaka or its commentaries that relates to the topic at hand, then please advise a Moderator or Administrator and we will happily re-open the topic for you.

Feel free also to open a non-Abhidhamma specific topic if you wish to discuss the general matter of plant-life and sentience further.

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