Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

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Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:22 am

For some time a small team of people have been working on the translation of Mahasi Sayadaw's "Manual of Insight" into English.

MANUAL OF INSIGHT
By Venerable Mahasi Sayadaw
Translated by Hla Myint and AriyaÑāni
Edited by Steve Armstrong, Kamala Masters and Deborah Ratner-Helzer
Pali Research by ViraÑāni

There is an article about it here: http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2010/04/th ... i-sayadaw/
and Chapter 5, "Practical Instructions", is available as a PDF in the fifth post on this thread:
http://dharmaoverground.org/web/guest/d ... age/443445

Steve Armstrong gave a series of talks on this back in 2007 (the five talks on "Refined Knowledge, Subtle Wisdom" here: http://www.audiodharma.org/talks/SteveArmstrong.html

Perhaps we'll see it in print soon...

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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:30 am

Armstrong has done a very interesting and informative book about the Mahasi Sayadaw method coming to the West: Strong Roots, which can be found here among other works:

http://www.dharma.org/bcbs/Pages/publications.html
    >> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<<
    -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:45 am

Hi Tilt,

Looks like an interesting book but the author is Jake H. Davis, not Steve Armstrong...

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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:58 am

mikenz66 wrote:Hi Tilt,

Looks like an interesting book but the author is Jake H. Davis, not Steve Armstrong...

Mike

I roll my eyes, shake my head, and sigh. It is 0457, time to go to bed. It still is an interesting book by Davis, and Armstrong is a good teacher.
    >> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<<
    -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby mikenz66 » Sat May 01, 2010 9:45 pm

I should note that Chapter 5 of the Manual of Insight is what has been published by BPS as "Practical Insight Medition" (the first section is available on-line in various places including here: http://aimwell.org/Books/Mahasi/Practical/practical.html) However, this is a completely new translation, with extra notes, and I think would be well worth studying if you are interested in the Mahasi approach.



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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby dhamma_newb » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:33 pm

Hi Mike,

Have you heard any recent news of a release date for this book? I've looked online and couldn't find any. Thanks!

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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby Will » Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:26 pm

[delted post because I gave wrong information]
Last edited by Will on Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:24 pm

Hi dhamma_newb,

Like Bhikkhu Bodhi's Anguttara Nikaya translation, this seems to be taking some time to surface...
However, there is that chapter on the Dharma Overground site that I linked to above that may be of interest.

The book The Manuals of Dhamma that Will mentions is a book by Ledi Sayadaw, not Mahasi Sayadaw.

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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby dhamma_newb » Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:02 am

Thanks everyone. I just printed the two Buddhist Geeks excerpts available from dharmaoverground.org. I'm looking forward to getting a copy when the book is published. Thanks again!

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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby Will » Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:59 pm

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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby kendali » Thu Jun 02, 2016 6:23 pm

:goodpost:

Awesome!
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Dhammaṁ saraṇaṁ gacchāmi.
Saṇghaṁ saraṇaṁ gacchāmi.


Not to do evil, to cultivate merit, to purify one's mind - this is the Teaching of the Buddhas. (Dhp 183)

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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:23 pm

My copy arrived this week. 700 pages of well-edited hard bound text for $25. Any profits from sales are intended for enabling free distribution to monastics. Looking forward to reading it in detail.

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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:10 pm

I am working on a different edition, by a different translator, and have so far published the first 100 pages as a PDF.

A Manual of Insight Meditation Translator U Min Swe (Min Kyaw Thu)

It is only a first draft, but at least the Table of Contents and the first chapter and part of the second will give you some idea of what to expect from the published version. The Wisdom Books version gathers all of the Pali passages in notes at the back of the book. I prefer to keep them in the text to aid those who do know Pali.
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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby Will » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:28 pm

Whether the Wisdom edition is first complete translation into English or not, I do not know.

But some years ago I got The Manuals of Dhamma pub. by Vipassana Research Inst. The first chapter of 30 pages or so is titled "The Manual of Insight", trans. by U Nyana. I guess this chapter might be a condensation or a separate work on the same subject or ...???

If anyone knows about this 'chapter' vs the Wisdom big book, it would clarify for me.
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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby bodom » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:51 pm

Will wrote:Whether the Wisdom edition is first complete translation into English or not, I do not know.

But some years ago I got The Manuals of Dhamma pub. by Vipassana Research Inst. The first chapter of 30 pages or so is titled "The Manual of Insight", trans. by U Nyana. I guess this chapter might be a condensation or a separate work on the same subject or ...???

If anyone knows about this 'chapter' vs the Wisdom big book, it would clarify for me.


That work is by Ledi Sayadaw not Mahasi.

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It’s only meditation when there are two minds:
Knowing-noting mind and observing mind.
If there is only one mind, ‘I’ is always there.
The object is not the dhamma,
The dhamma is the mind
That is being aware.

- Shwe Oo Min Sayadaw

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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby Will » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:57 pm

Thanks bodom - Ledi lived much earlier... should have paid closer attention... :embarassed:
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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby bodom » Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:51 pm

Will wrote:Thanks bodom - Ledi lived much earlier... should have paid closer attention... :embarassed:


Not a problem Will. It's caused some confusion on the board as of late with this newest release.

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Knowing-noting mind and observing mind.
If there is only one mind, ‘I’ is always there.
The object is not the dhamma,
The dhamma is the mind
That is being aware.

- Shwe Oo Min Sayadaw

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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby cjmacie » Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:54 am

"Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:10 pm

"I am working on a different edition, by a different translator, and have so far
published the first 100 pages as a PDF.
A Manual of Insight Meditation (http://www.aimwell.org/manualofinsight.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) Translator
U Min Swe (Min Kyaw Thu)
"
That's an excellent thing to do, IMO. Looking at the first 100 pages, it appears to contain what's in the 1984 original with only minor changes in text, a couple of things moved around, and improved structural highlighting (e.g. paragraphing, "Explanation" sections).

p. ix "Editor's Preface"
"That it has taken over seventy years for this work (the Burmese edition was published in 1945) to appear in an English edition is some measure of the size of the task."
It puzzling that you say this, when U Min Swe's translation was done in 1984? I.e. it took 39 years, from Burmese first edition. I still haven't found an answer to the question why Steve Armstrong (and you) seem to overlook that the first English translation dates from 1984.

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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:04 pm

cjmacie wrote:It puzzling that you say this, when U Min Swe's translation was done in 1984? I.e. it took 39 years, from Burmese first edition. I still haven't found an answer to the question why Steve Armstrong (and you) seem to overlook that the first English translation dates from 1984.

Was it ever published? To me, it looks very much like a manuscript, and is not at all polished. In several places, the translator uses two expressions, apparently being undecided as to which is better, for example:
The sense of eye-sight, or in other words, the eye-sensitivity called Cakkhupasāda also really exists and is actually present.

This could simply be expressed as: “The eye-sensitivity (cakkhupasāda) also really exists.”
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Re: Mahasi Sayadaw: Manual of Insight

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:42 pm

Thank you for your efforts, Bhante. As you imply, the available text is quite rough, certainly not of publication quality. Your editing makes is considerably more readable. For enthusiasts the unedited text would be extremely useful, but for many it would be off putting.

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