Is jhana synonymous for satipatthana?

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Re: Is jhana synonymous for satipatthana?

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There was no query, no claiming something wasn't needed, and nothing else implied!

try reading what I actually put.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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Manapa wrote:There was no query, no claiming something wasn't needed, and nothing else implied!

try reading what I actually put.
Of course you are correct. The only thing you stated was that a document you had "a quick scim through" was unreliable due to several quirks. I was merely asking what they were - No Agendas. However it is probably best if I stop asking you what they were.

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Brizzy wrote:
Manapa wrote:There was no query, no claiming something wasn't needed, and nothing else implied!

try reading what I actually put.
Of course you are correct. The only thing you stated was that a document you had "a quick scim through" was unreliable due to several quirks. I was merely asking what they were - No Agendas. However it is probably best if I stop asking you what they were.

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well if I point out one, and one is in your own quote, there should be no need, they were obvious, all you proceded to do was give counter arguments to what wasn't being argued against, that makes you look more and more like you are trying to prove something, or have an agenda.

you don't have to read something cover to cover analysing every word to see if it meet a certain standard of reliability, same way you don't need to walk all the way into a pig sty to know how it smells. if you want to trash things that is great, but don't expect others to do more than they feel is necessary.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
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Greetings,

Thanks to jc for putting me onto this short, yet relevant talk from venerable Gunaratna



Metta,
Retro. :)
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Nice talk,thanks for posting the video url, Retro!
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Thanks JC & Retro :twothumbsup:
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
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