thereductor wrote:If a person were to claim on this board that they are a stream-winner, what would your thought be on that? And how would you respond on the forum itself?.
thereductor wrote:It seems that people don't want to be mistaken as a stream-winner (or higher), or that those phrases that might be associated with entering the path are responded to with some venom.
Goofaholix wrote:I'm not convinced someone on the path necessarily knows how far they have come nor what status they might be able to lay claim to.
"Just as when a carpenter or carpenter's apprentice sees the marks of his fingers or thumb on the handle of his adze but does not know, 'Today my adze handle wore down this much, or yesterday it wore down that much, or the day before yesterday it wore down this much,' still he knows it is worn through when it is worn through. In the same way, when a monk dwells devoting himself to development, he does not know, 'Today my effluents wore down this much, or yesterday they wore down that much, or the day before yesterday they wore down this much,' still he knows they are worn through when they are worn through."
-- http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
Ben wrote:I'm wondering whether this is in response to something I wrote on the "sabbe sankhara dukkha" thread when I qualified my statement that I am not claiming ariya status. If so, that's fine. For the sake of our members and guests, I do not want to give the impression of having an attainment I do not have. I felt it necessary given I was responding from the context of personal meditative experience and I am aware that some of the meditative experience could give someone the impression that I am an ariya - and I am not.
retrofuturist wrote:Greetings thereductor,
One element you may not have considered in the above is that such questioning is also for the benefit of the potential stream-entrant in the sense that they might be deluded about their attainment, and may falsely believe themselves to be a stream-entrant when in fact they're not....
thereductor wrote:If a person were to claim on this board that they are a stream-winner, what would your thought be on that? And how would you respond on the forum itself?
It seems that people don't want to be mistaken as a stream-winner (or higher), or that those phrases that might be associated with entering the path are responded to with some venom.
PeterB wrote:....I am highly suspicious even of hints or claims to knowledge of the Jhanas.
Above & beyond words
A well-read layman was conversing with Luang Pu, saying, "I firmly believe that in our present day and age there are not just a few monks who have practiced to the point of reaching the paths, fruitions, and nibbana. So why don't they make their knowledge public, so that those who are interested in the practice will know of the levels of Dhamma they have attained, as a way of giving them encouragement and hope so that they'll accelerate their efforts to the utmost of their ability?"
Luang Pu answered,
"Those who have awakened don't talk of what they've awakened to, because it lies above and beyond all words."
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