Guhatthaka Sutta

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Guhatthaka Sutta

Postby jcsuperstar » Tue May 18, 2010 1:50 pm

สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: Guhatthaka Sutta

Postby Richard » Sat May 22, 2010 12:50 am

I am surprised there has been no comment on this sutta for the whole past week. Are we having trouble with its attitude toward all those who are "floundering around, immersed in craving"? I live in a city where it's not hard to see people whose lives are wrecked by drug and alcohol addiction. I can't do anything for them directly, but try not to feel too superior because I am far from being free of craving in other forms. This sutta seems to say that we should take the sight of others as a spur to our own practice--but is that all we should do?

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Re: Guhatthaka Sutta

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Re: Guhatthaka Sutta

Postby Yllyrryon » Sat May 22, 2010 9:14 pm

Offering another “thank you” to jcsuperstar for the efforts with this study group.

I have been at a loss as to where to begin in discussing this sutta. So I’ll dive in with a few observations and remarks.

The imagery is potent, using metaphors for the body as a cave and comparing people floundering around, lost in sense craving, to fish flopping about in puddles. In doing this, the sutta succinctly shows us what not to do. Then it concludes by offering the example of how an enlightened person relates to sensual experience. The arrow of craving is removed; life is lived heedfully without clinging or craving.

To what extent does seeing things as they really are help correct wrong attitudes and behavior?

Right view reveals the body to be like a cave; and a life spent pursing sense experience is like living in that dark and damp cave all tied up. So as right view emerges, an epiphany dawns in the mind: “I cannot believe I was living life like that! I would never want to go back to such a way of living!” Among other things, right views provides motivation to make changes and avoid going back to patterns of conduct that perpetuated suffering.

So these are a few things that have come to mind in reading this sutta.

Thanks again for offering this! Happiness, peace, health, and safety to all. And may all find freedom from suffering!
"The Buddha is rightly self-awakened - the Dhamma, well taught - and the Noble Sangha, worthy of honor." Translation by Ven. Thanissaro

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Re: Guhatthaka Sutta

Postby jcsuperstar » Sat May 22, 2010 9:23 pm

sometimes it is just hard to see what's wrong in yourself. however we usually are easily able to find fault in others. also it has been said before and if i pay attention to my mind i notice that, we usually pick out the faults of others that we most strongly identify with ourselves (even if we are not conscious that that is in fact what we are doing), so if it is easy for us to see the 'sins" of others and those sins we so easily see are really just our own, then it is a good first step to get us to move from just seeing the problems to moving on to doing something about them. :shrug:
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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