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Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

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Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby convivium » Wed May 19, 2010 3:32 am

Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Therevada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby jcsuperstar » Wed May 19, 2010 4:55 am

never come across it
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Re: Therevada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby convivium » Wed May 19, 2010 5:25 am

Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Therevada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby Ben » Wed May 19, 2010 6:01 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Therevada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby Paññāsikhara » Wed May 19, 2010 6:29 am

Looks like some confusion between "brahmacariya" and "brahmavihara" to me.
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Re: Therevada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby Ben » Wed May 19, 2010 6:31 am

Indeed!
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Therevada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby convivium » Wed May 19, 2010 6:35 am

What object exists in higher jhanas, beyond some form of love (metta) and space (equanimity)? Does Jhana draw one closer and closer to Brahma (or highest reality within mind and matter)? If so then what can that be outside Brahmavihara? I'll try to find that Vm passage. Also, thank you for the comment on tantra. I am speaking to the common statement that Jhana, and therefore absorption in brahmaviharas depends to an extent on a chaste, clear, and creative (as opposed to consumptive) mind. Sexual desire is obviously a meditative fetter. To indulge in the orgasm therefore seems anathema to right concentration. The essentiality of never dropping a seed is almost another point; but empirically this makes sense as a waste of energy. In order to remain chaste, does it make sense to use that energy in meditation? ...
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Therevada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby PeterB » Wed May 19, 2010 7:49 am

With respect convivium I think you have confused the Theravada with other paths. We in the Theravada do need feel the need to deal in such concepts. Our path is not a yogic or tantric path. You might get answers to your questions if you pose them on a Vajrayana ( " Tibetan Buddhism " ) website. For example " Brahma" in the Theravada is purely symbolic.

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Re: Therevada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby Ben » Wed May 19, 2010 7:53 am

To experience jhana requires the suspension of the five hindrances and the development of the jhana factors. Sexual desire is only one hindrance. All hindrances are barriers to jhana. Furthermore, jhana is not dependent on the brahmaviharas. You can experience jhana from cultivating the brahmaviharas but its not the only way. There is not tantric-like instruction or practice that involves the recylcing of sexual energy within Theravada.
I just think you are trying to look at the Theravada through the prism of hinduism and/or Mahayana. It'll end in tears.
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Therevada Process of Brahmacariya

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Re: Therevada Process of Brahmacariya

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Last edited by convivium on Wed May 19, 2010 9:25 am, edited 5 times in total.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Therevada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby PeterB » Wed May 19, 2010 9:13 am

I am not sure what you are asking.

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Re: Therevada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby Paññāsikhara » Wed May 19, 2010 9:43 am

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Re: Therevada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby PeterB » Wed May 19, 2010 9:51 am

I will try again.." brahma" in the reading of the Theravada with which I most resonate is purely symbolic.
There are Theravadin Buddhists who see Brahma as having an objective existence, but even they see him as being subject to the Three Signs Of Being..Dukkha, Anatta and Anicca. Therefore there is no sense of merging with him..even if he exists.

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Re: Therevada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby retrofuturist » Wed May 19, 2010 9:55 am

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Re: Therevada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby Paññāsikhara » Wed May 19, 2010 10:01 am

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby PeterB » Wed May 19, 2010 10:06 am

It would probably save a lot of time Ven. Huifeng if I just replied to most posts with..".Buddhadasa says ".. :lol:

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