Buddhism and Goals

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Re: Buddhism and Goals

Postby Pannapetar » Mon May 17, 2010 3:23 am

MayaRefugee wrote:How do you develop a lust for longevity/health?


Lust probably has little do with it. I mean, how could this possibly work? Consciously develop a desire to trick yourself into exercising? I don't think so. Consider sanity instead. It simply makes sense to maintain a healthy body. Therefore it makes sense to spend effort towards that goal. It is connected to the ability to act upon reason.

MayaRefugee wrote:Why improve the body when it simply is what it is?


The body is hardly static, is it?

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Re: Buddhism and Goals

Postby jcsuperstar » Mon May 17, 2010 3:34 am

exercise can be great for mindfulness practice, the buddha did a lot of walking!
a healthy body also settles down easier into meditation
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Re: Buddhism and Goals

Postby Dan74 » Mon May 17, 2010 4:51 am

Discipline and focus are the qualities I work on, the ones that don't come naturally at all!

Whether it is to do with the body and eating habits, I think these are great practice qualities in general and without them practice isn't really going to take off. So even these worldly aims, like losing weight, exercising more, etc can be treated as practice, especially if they are done with a focus on the present, sharpening attention, broadening awareness and persevering in the light of the right view, right intention and right action.
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Re: Buddhism and Goals

Postby Pannapetar » Mon May 17, 2010 5:12 am

jcsuperstar wrote:exercise can be great for mindfulness practice, the buddha did a lot of walking!


And then there is the monk who walked a thousand miles. Well, almost. :D

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Re: Buddhism and Goals

Postby chownah » Mon May 17, 2010 2:25 pm

Anybody have any suggestions or insights on finding an inspirational and all encompassing why/reason?

The Four Noble Truths?
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Re: Buddhism and Goals

Postby MayaRefugee » Wed May 19, 2010 4:02 pm

The Buddha's first words after enlightenment were these: "Seeking but not finding the house builder, I traveled through the round of countless births. Oh, painful is birth ever and again! House builder you have now been seen. You shall not build the house again. Your rafters have been broken down; your ridge-pole is demolished too. My mind has now attained the unformed nibbana and reached the end of every kind of craving." (Dh. 153-54.)


Taken from here: http://www.vipassanadhura.com/buddha.htm

Isn't planning to go to the gym regularly, eating certain types of food regularly, reaching a specic weight, etc. and carrying out these plans just a form of house building?

What's making these plans?

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Re: Buddhism and Goals

Postby ground » Thu May 20, 2010 3:01 am

MayaRefugee wrote:
The Buddha's first words after enlightenment were these: "Seeking but not finding the house builder, I traveled through the round of countless births. Oh, painful is birth ever and again! House builder you have now been seen. You shall not build the house again. Your rafters have been broken down; your ridge-pole is demolished too. My mind has now attained the unformed nibbana and reached the end of every kind of craving." (Dh. 153-54.)


Taken from here: http://www.vipassanadhura.com/buddha.htm

Isn't planning to go to the gym regularly, eating certain types of food regularly, reaching a specic weight, etc. and carrying out these plans just a form of house building?

What's making these plans?


What/who is asking these questions? And why? To build a house (of views)?

The "let's pretend to be enlightened right from the start" approach is just inconsistent and perpetuates samsara.

If you manage to engage in practice without goal setting then fine. But if you can't "just do it" then you need goals.

But there is no need for body cult because eating is just meant to survive and moving exercise is just the same like walking a dog. You walk the dog because the dog obviously needs it and feels better afterwards, compassion.

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Re: Buddhism and Goals

Postby MayaRefugee » Thu May 20, 2010 7:13 am

The charioteer is asking these questions, he wants to know wether he should hook the horses up to the chariot and if he should then he also wants to know which direction he should point the horses in and wether or not he should whip them into action - as far as he can tell things are fine how they are at the moment and their is no pressing need to hook the horses up and go somewhere or make the situation become something else, all reports from the top seem to share this sentiment as well. The charioteer suspects and openly admits that the remnants of past mental formations could be clouding his perceptions and stopping him from making certain realizations.

BTW, I don't see how giving due consideration to the wisdom of the Buddhas perceptions is pretending to be enlightened - if you think he has put into words something that is true are you suposed to ignore it or deny it's validity - what good are teachings if not used as "teachings"?

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Re: Buddhism and Goals

Postby Goofaholix » Thu May 20, 2010 7:23 am

MayaRefugee wrote:The charioteer is asking these questions, he wants to know wether he should hook the horses up to the chariot and if he should then he also wants to know which direction he should point the horses in and wether or not he should whip them into action - as far as he can tell things are fine how they are at the moment and their is no pressing need to hook the horses up and go somewhere or make the situation become something else, all reports from the top seem to share this sentiment as well. The charioteer suspects and openly admits that the remnants of past mental formations could be clouding his perceptions and stopping him from making certain realizations.

BTW, I don't see how giving due consideration to the wisdom of the Buddhas perceptions is pretending to be enlightened - if you think he has put into words something that is true are you suposed to ignore it or deny it's validity - what good are teachings if not used as "teachings"?


I'm guessing the issue is that you have too much time on your hands and are wondering what to do with it.

Before I was married and had children I also came to a point where I was feeling much as you do, where I had realised that there was nothing worth pursuing out there, nothing that was going to satisfy, but I still wasn't prepared to commit to full time practice either.

Since being married and had children I don't think that feeling has changed but what has changed is that I have no idle time on my hands, I struggle to find time to do all the things I have to do let alone the things I want to do. I have no time to idle away except maybe half an hour a day on dhammawheel and my practice is more oriented towards moment to moment mindfulness rather than formal retreats, I crave my one retreat a year when in the past I could do retreats for months on end.

Anyway, I'm not sure if this is helping but hopefully it may give some perspective.
"Proper effort is not the effort to make something particular happen. It is the effort to be aware and awake each moment." - Ajahn Chah
"When we see beyond self, we no longer cling to happiness. When we stop clinging, we can begin to be happy." - Ajahn Chah
"Know and watch your heart. It’s pure but emotions come to colour it." — Ajahn Chah
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Re: Buddhism and Goals

Postby MayaRefugee » Thu May 20, 2010 9:26 am

Thanks Goof!

Circumstances being the way they are at the moment I do have a lot of time on my hands - I find I spend most if it daydreaming or mentally rehearsing whatever box needs to be ticked next - not very efficent or productive in the eyes of most but I enjoy it.

You're post definately has me thinking, as I compulsively reply I'm rhetorically wondering:

Should I find activities to do for the sake of filling time?

What should I be doing with my time?

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Re: Buddhism and Goals

Postby Annapurna » Thu May 20, 2010 11:07 am

MayaRefugee wrote:
The Buddha's first words after enlightenment were these: "Seeking but not finding the house builder, I traveled through the round of countless births. Oh, painful is birth ever and again! House builder you have now been seen. You shall not build the house again. Your rafters have been broken down; your ridge-pole is demolished too. My mind has now attained the unformed nibbana and reached the end of every kind of craving." (Dh. 153-54.)


Taken from here: http://www.vipassanadhura.com/buddha.htm

Isn't planning to go to the gym regularly, eating certain types of food regularly, reaching a specic weight, etc. and carrying out these plans just a form of house building?

What's making these plans?

Peace,

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