On the Origin of Buddhism: the lie of Kapilavastu

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On the Origin of Buddhism: the lie of Kapilavastu

Postby senouf » Mon May 17, 2010 8:30 am

Lumbini, Kapilavastu, the birthplace of Buddhism, UNESCO World Heritage site 666: A carefully concocted lie:

http://blog.sunyata.in/post/2010/05/04/Lumbini,-Kapilavastu,-the-Birthplace-of-Buddhism:-Another-Revision-of-History
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Re: On the Origin of Buddhism: the lie of Kapilavastu

Postby Sekha » Mon May 17, 2010 9:36 am

"The mystery of Kapilavastu will continue for many years to be the sport of unverified conjecture. There can be no doubt that the linking of Gotama with eastern India or Nepal has no archaeological basis and is totally false."

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Re: On the Origin of Buddhism: the lie of Kapilavastu

Postby Ben » Mon May 17, 2010 9:43 am

senouf wrote:Lumbini, Kapilavastu, the birthplace of Buddhism, UNESCO World Heritage site 666: A carefully concocted lie:

http://blog.sunyata.in/post/2010/05/04/Lumbini,-Kapilavastu,-the-Birthplace-of-Buddhism:-Another-Revision-of-History


A poorly concocted fiction masquarading as history.
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Re: On the Origin of Buddhism: the lie of Kapilavastu

Postby Dan74 » Mon May 17, 2010 9:52 am

And even if it was true, I don't think many people here would be really shocked.

I for one, don't base my faith in the Dharma, on the facts of ancient history, nor did the Teachings advocate that.

If you wanted to shock Buddhists, senouf, you would have to use other tactics.
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Re: On the Origin of Buddhism: the lie of Kapilavastu

Postby Paññāsikhara » Mon May 17, 2010 10:41 am

senouf wrote:Lumbini, Kapilavastu, the birthplace of Buddhism, UNESCO World Heritage site 666: A carefully concocted lie:

http://blog.sunyata.in/post/2010/05/04/Lumbini,-Kapilavastu,-the-Birthplace-of-Buddhism:-Another-Revision-of-History


What third rate buddhology is this?
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Re: On the Origin of Buddhism: the lie of Kapilavastu

Postby retrofuturist » Mon May 17, 2010 10:48 am

Third? You speak too highly of it, bhante!

:lol:

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Re: On the Origin of Buddhism: the lie of Kapilavastu

Postby PeterB » Mon May 17, 2010 11:13 am

It will be interesting to see if senouf is a one time only poster.
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Re: On the Origin of Buddhism: the lie of Kapilavastu

Postby Aloka » Mon May 17, 2010 3:19 pm

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Re: On the Origin of Buddhism: the lie of Kapilavastu

Postby smokey » Mon May 17, 2010 5:13 pm

This is just a bunch of malarkey. Let me tell you a story. There was a serbian prohet who could predict future and he said this: "Wise men will appear in the Orient, and their wisdom will cross all seas and frontiers, but people will not trust this wisdom for long time, and this real truth they will proclaim for a lie."

Check out the full prophecy here: http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/calypso.htm
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Re: On the Origin of Buddhism: the lie of Kapilavastu

Postby sukhamanveti » Tue May 18, 2010 6:12 am

Let me see if I understand this article. A global conspiracy of scholars belonging to a "secret society" of Freemasons is suppressing the "truth" that the Buddha was really born in Gandhara and "broke away" from Zoroastrianism. If people only knew the "truth" that he was born in Gandhara and rejected Zoroastrianism, then they would... um... they'd certainly... um... what would they do now? Luckily for this writer, these conspirators, who are so desperate to cover up the truth, left several "anagrams" and obvious codes that give themselves away! This reveals how badly they wanted to keep the "truth" a... um... secret.

:cookoo:


Contrary to the writer's claims, Prof. Gombrich's date for the death of the Buddha is largely based on a record of the life spans of a lineage of ancient experts in monastic rules (see http://www.buddhistethics.org/15/prebish-article.html ). It has nothing to do with "404 not found" (obviously). Nor does the word "Devil" come from the words "Da Evil," another claim the writer actually mentions in the article (seriously)! ("Devil," of course, comes from the Greek word diabolos.)


If this is not a deliberate parody of religious conspiracy theories, then someone must be a passionate fan of the novel The Da Vinci Code.
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Re: On the Origin of Buddhism: the lie of Kapilavastu

Postby Sekha » Tue May 18, 2010 9:30 am

If you wish to see what Tilaurakot (Nepal, near Lumbini) looks like:

http://become-happy.blogspot.com/2008/0 ... rakot.html
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Re: On the Origin of Buddhism: the lie of Kapilavastu

Postby Kim OHara » Tue May 18, 2010 11:00 am

retrofuturist wrote:Third? You speak too highly of it, bhante!

:lol:

Metta,
Retro. :)

I agree.
I would have put it somewhere between tenth rate scholarship and pure drivel, but I guess I'm not as patient or tolerant or kind or forgiving as I ought to be.
I'll try to do better ... but if I ever start saying nice things about that sort of stuff, I won't be me any more.
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Re: On the Origin of Buddhism: the lie of Kapilavastu

Postby Dan74 » Tue May 18, 2010 7:23 pm

One thing is true though - Lumbini is the World Heritage Site Number 666.

Hence we are Anti-Christ worshippers!

Repent! Repent!
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Re: On the Origin of Buddhism: the lie of Kapilavastu

Postby alan » Tue May 18, 2010 7:57 pm

The guy is a nutcase!
Check out this sweet bit of reasoning from his site:http://blog.sunyata.in/public/Secret_Societies_III_-_Total_Mind_Control_Slaves.pdf
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Re: On the Origin of Buddhism: the lie of Kapilavastu

Postby SDC » Wed May 19, 2010 4:29 pm

Like I asked in the "Historocity of the Buddha" thread...what is the goal in posting something like this?

Please respond, senouf. At least state your intentions.
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Re: On the Origin of Buddhism: the lie of Kapilavastu

Postby Tex » Thu May 20, 2010 6:44 pm

Looks like someone is trying to infringe on Dan Brown's fiction market.
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Re: On the Origin of Buddhism: the lie of Kapilavastu

Postby Sobeh » Thu May 20, 2010 9:04 pm

Tex wrote:Looks like someone is trying to infringe on Dan Brown's fiction market.


Already done:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... ewayres-20
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