Requisites and Qualities

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Requisites and Qualities

Postby convivium » Wed May 19, 2010 6:54 pm

Living examples of stillness, of restraint... not being a rebel, conforming, understanding community status (rank) and placing trust in the Ajahns ...
What are some methods, and qualities, in a person, that are integral to succesfully integrating, and remaining within the Sangha? What requisites or credentials does a monastic require/is expected to have?
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Requisites and Qualities

Postby Sobeh » Wed May 19, 2010 8:43 pm

This may help:

"To become a bhikkhu, it is sufficient to want it! This is the main going forth. Once he has acquired a bowl, a set of three robes and a belt, the future bhikkhu takes the ten precepts of the sámašera (if he has not done so already), because only a sámašera can be incorporated into the saµgha. Once this step is accomplished, the procedure of integration into the saµgha can begin."

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Re: Requisites and Qualities

Postby convivium » Thu May 20, 2010 9:13 am

Thank you :anjali: So a monk should also be :broke: :jedi: :reading: :heart: :buddha1: :buddha2: :sage: :bow: :bow: :bow: :console: :thumbsup: :thanks: :juggling: :thinking: :rules: :oops: :meditate: :group: :geek: ?
is really enough just to "want it," and have those material requisites and be a male, in good health, w/no obligations?
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Requisites and Qualities

Postby Pannapetar » Thu May 20, 2010 9:24 am

convivium wrote:is really enough just to "want it," and have those material requisites and be a male, in good health, w/no obligations?


You must be human. Genome sequence analysis may be required if in doubt. :tongue:

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Re: Requisites and Qualities

Postby Goofaholix » Thu May 20, 2010 7:47 pm

The candidate to be a monk is asked eleven questions to determine his suitability, his motives and his readiness;
(1) Are you free from disease?
(2) Are you a human being?
(3) Are you a man?
(4) Are you a free man?
(5) Are you free from debt?
(6) Do you have any obligations to the king?
(7) Do you have your parents' permission?
(8) Are you at least twenty years of age?
(9) Do you have your bowl and robe?
(10) What is your name?
(11) What is your teacher's name?

Once he is a monk there are 4 offences that would disqualify him from being a monk if he were to commit them;
(1) sexual intercourse of any description;
(2) taking what is not given with intention to steal;
(3) depriving purposely a human being of life in any way;
(4) falsely claiming superhuman states of attainment.
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Re: Requisites and Qualities

Postby convivium » Fri May 21, 2010 6:43 am

so really everything is covered in the vinaya then? just a lot of self discipline, poverty, chastity along w/what's been mentioned? how else to better integrate and remain in the Sangha? :anjali:
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Requisites and Qualities

Postby appicchato » Fri May 21, 2010 7:37 am

so really everything is covered in the vinaya then?

Pretty much...
a lot of self discipline, poverty, chastity along w/what's been mentioned?

A little mindfulness won't hurt...as well as living...living...the Noble Eightfold Path...
how else to better integrate and remain in the Sangha? :anjali:

Any suggestions?...

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Re: Requisites and Qualities

Postby Ben » Fri May 21, 2010 10:35 am

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