non-violence in extreme cases.

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Re: non-violence in extreme cases.

Postby retrofuturist » Fri May 28, 2010 12:50 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: non-violence in extreme cases.

Postby PeterB » Fri May 28, 2010 1:03 pm

Never to my knowledge.
And the fact that he is not addicted can be demonstrated by the fact that he has done regular retreat for years sometimes for several weeks at a time during which he has observed the eight precepts.

I know people particularly in my work life, who cannot safetly drink at all.
I know others including serious Theravadin Buddhists, who can drink in moderation.
They as you are indicating Retro do not become heedless or intoxicated.
I have a friend who has really severe hay fever...the levels of antihistamines he has to take in order to function at all during the summer render him fairly sedated at times..
Is he in breach of the 5th precept ?

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Re: non-violence in extreme cases.

Postby dhammastudier » Fri May 28, 2010 3:40 pm

seriously! no one is going to comment on the fact that zen monks shoot bows??? all this talk about guns and bows are evil and against buddhism and no one else has anything to say about this point?

i think it goes to show that when you use something in a non-violent way, the violence is gone.

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Postby Sekha » Fri May 28, 2010 4:02 pm

To me, touching a weapon is even more repellent than picking up a fresh and warm dogshit. Let alone using it.

But if some people like that touch, what can be told to them?
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Re: non-violence in extreme cases.

Postby Mukunda » Fri May 28, 2010 7:43 pm

Weapons are weapons, gardening tools are gardening tools. Kitchen utensils are kitchen utensils. Even though all of these things MAY be used for purposes other than their designed intent, that doesn't change the fact that as human beings, with all our cultural conditioning, we know a weapon when we see one. I submit that seeing, using, collecting, or playing with weapons, is NOT in itself violence. But such activities do provide nutriment to subtle mental impressions and conditioning that is counterproductive to the spirit of ahimsa. And I do NOT think that means direct intent to commit harm, but rather is a subtle and more difficult to recognize negative influence on our mental processes. The fact that so many feel the need to defend their practices speaks volumes.

So collect, play with, and glorify weapons if you so desire. I do NOT think you are evil. I doNOT think you are violent. I do NOT think you intend to harm others. I DO think you are harming yourself and creating conflict in your own mind and watering seeds of fear in other peoples minds. But people gotta do what they gotta do 'til they ain't gotta do it anymore.

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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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