Enrobing in Thailand Today

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Enrobing in Thailand Today

Postby convivium » Thu May 27, 2010 12:02 am

Would it be foolish to get on a plane and fly to Thailand in search of a monastery? Should the monastery be contated in advance? What other viharas beyond Wat Pah Nanachat are recommended?
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Re: Enrobing in Thailand Today

Postby Pannapetar » Thu May 27, 2010 1:44 am

If one has not been in Thailand before, or if one has limited knowledge about Thai culture, I would recommend to schedule a 6-10 weeks orientation period before getting into action. This time should be used for intensive learning of the Thai language, for developing a feeling for local culture and customs, and for the body to adapt to the tropical climate, endemic bacteria, and the Thai food. That way a lot of unnecessary stress and frustration can be avoided. The time can also be used for monastery reconnaissance.

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Re: Enrobing in Thailand Today

Postby Goofaholix » Thu May 27, 2010 2:02 am

convivium wrote:Would it be foolish to get on a plane and fly to Thailand in search of a monastery? Should the monastery be contated in advance? What other viharas beyond Wat Pah Nanachat are recommended?


I think it would be foolish considering the current political situation, perhaps the worst has passed I'd give it a few months before booking a ticket (says me who is having no luck convincing my wife to postpone ours).

I think Wat pah Nanachat is probably the best option if you are planning to be ordained long term and if you aren't interested in being tied to a specific meditation technique.

Otherwise this might provide a good starting point http://www.retreat-infos.de/page106/page106.html

Either way I'd recommend you visit and stay in a few places over a period of a few months before committing to one, this will also get you used to living in Thailand.
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Re: Enrobing in Thailand Today

Postby Pannapetar » Thu May 27, 2010 3:33 am

Goofaholix wrote:I think it would be foolish considering the current political situation, perhaps the worst has passed I'd give it a few months before booking a ticket...


Such concerns have little actual foundation. Even at the height of the political protests, the risk of contracting dengue fever, being run over by a drunk taxi driver, falling off a rickety pier, or being bitten by a poisonous animal, present much more common and much more likely dangers than being affected by political violence. It goes to show how TV distorts reality.

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Re: Enrobing in Thailand Today

Postby convivium » Thu May 27, 2010 8:51 pm

Has anyone travelled in Ubon? Is it sketchy? Pretty easy to get from monastery to monastery?
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Re: Enrobing in Thailand Today

Postby Goofaholix » Thu May 27, 2010 9:52 pm

convivium wrote:Has anyone travelled in Ubon? Is it sketchy? Pretty easy to get from monastery to monastery?


The easiest way is to go go by plane from BKK, there is also an overnight train, I wouldn't recommend the bus.

It's easy to get from WPN to Wat Pah Pong but not so much other monasteries. I'd go to WPN first and then if you want to go to other monasteries get advice.
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Re: Enrobing in Thailand Today

Postby Bankei » Sat May 29, 2010 11:22 pm

Its very easy to get around in Thailand. There are many taxis which are very cheap, and if none are available someone usually has the number of one who will come and pick you up for a small price. Thais usually get motorcycle taxis for shorter distances and there are usually groups of them waiting in various locations.
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Re: Enrobing in Thailand Today

Postby convivium » Sun May 30, 2010 12:08 am

thanks everyone. i just typed out my letter to wat pah nanachat. i hope it gets there this time.
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Re: Enrobing in Thailand Today

Postby Phra Chuntawongso » Sun May 30, 2010 5:19 am

Hi,please keep us all informed as to how things are going. :anjali:
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Re: Enrobing in Thailand Today

Postby convivium » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:55 pm

i haven't heard back, am looking for monastery w/ openings for anagarikas. any recommendations?
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Re: Enrobing in Thailand Today

Postby appicchato » Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:49 pm

There are plenty of temples with websites and email addresses (buddhanet/google)...maybe contact someone through that method...Wat Pah Nanachat, continuing to shun rapid, and convenient, (public) communication should be enough to indicate where their 'head' is...good luck to you, there are more than 30,000 temples in Thailand...
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Re: Enrobing in Thailand Today

Postby convivium » Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:16 am

Thank you. Is your impression that WPN is not exceptionally open to new aspirants?
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Re: Enrobing in Thailand Today

Postby appicchato » Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:18 am

I wouldn't necessarily say that...what I would suggest is perusing what others have to say about WPN...many love it, others not so much...
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Re: Enrobing in Thailand Today

Postby convivium » Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:44 am

What are some of the unwholesome aspects, or those you have heard? I know it's a good place to learn the Vinaya. Ajahn Yatiko said it's a good place to live too...
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Re: Enrobing in Thailand Today

Postby Goofaholix » Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:03 am

convivium wrote:What are some of the unwholesome aspects, or those you have heard? I know it's a good place to learn the Vinaya. Ajahn Yatiko said it's a good place to live too...


I wouldn't say there is anything unwholesome about it, if anything it's possibly too wholesome for some people.

The vinaya practice there is among the strictest in Thailand, whixch is a good thingg, in addition there have many cultural observances and practices that some people will find difficult or annoying.

Many westerners go to a monastery expecting to be able to meditate all day, and expect a lot of teaching, at WPN you'll have more demands on your time and less time to meditate.

I found the weekly all night sittings the hardest as it ruined my meditation practice for the next day or two. The hour long bear foot pindhaphat on stoney roads was hard.

Having said that I had agreat time there and wish I had stayed longer. I recommend it unless you want to do intenseive meditation practice all day every day under the guidence of a teacher, if that's the case there might be many other places more suitable.

Also read the book "What the Buddha never taught" as a reality check.
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Re: Enrobing in Thailand Today

Postby convivium » Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:53 am

ok, thanks!
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