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Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby convivium » Mon May 24, 2010 12:46 am

Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby Ben » Mon May 24, 2010 12:50 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby convivium » Mon May 24, 2010 1:40 am

for developing these habits (abstaining from manifestation of fetters), while not necessary for eliminating potentials (fetters, sankaras), service is a very important tool among many (for letting go, for happiness, and for developing wholesome qualities). however it will not purify the mind from these underlying fetters, which can only happen in these path moments. in a sense it is therefore auxiliary, while it can also be an integral part of the path along along the lines of sila in general. dana paramis needed vary depending on the person, and their ambitions on the path (fundamental bodhisatta parami). to an extent this comment was made in haste having immersed myself unquestioning in so much burmese abhidhamma over the years which holds its not needed at all for arahatship (e.g. ledi sayadaw). service, along with prayer, devotion, and so on is very helpful advice pertaining to this subject, and to support the eightfold path as a whole.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby convivium » Mon May 24, 2010 5:40 am

Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Therevada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby convivium » Sun May 30, 2010 12:21 am

Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Therevada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby Ben » Sun May 30, 2010 1:02 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby convivium » Sun May 30, 2010 1:07 am

he just said not to sleep and do sitters practice, or else sleep very minimally, and not to eat much at all.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby Ben » Sun May 30, 2010 1:28 am

OK, that's fine.
We just have to be clear about what the Buddha actually said and what he didnt say but what we find useful. It is so that we don't inadvertently put words into the Buddha's mouth which leads to confusion in others.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Ben.
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby convivium » Sun May 30, 2010 2:53 am

Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby convivium » Mon May 31, 2010 5:50 pm

Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby convivium » Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:44 pm

abstinence does amazing things for the body and mind and spirit but celibacy is something that connotes suppression. so maybe it is helpful to think of brahmacariya as abstinence rather than celibacy. we are also abstaining from acts of speech and mind, not just body. to pretend to be celibate animals is just denial, at least till these higher stages on the path. we can feed on other things that are on the path, condition the mind in other ways, not feeding the dragons or trying to kill them or ride them, just letting them slumber or fromp about on their own, and at these higher stages burn out naturally...
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Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby convivium » Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:03 pm

if therevada monk identifies himself as celibate, therein lies difficulties. we aren't celibate till we're on the noble paths. we're just abstaining and shifting our concentration.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby convivium » Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:49 pm

Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby convivium » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:25 pm

the difference I'm trying to make is that abstinence is a choice...
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby Kenshou » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:35 pm

In opposition to what, again?

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Re: Theravada Process of Brahmacariya

Postby convivium » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:13 pm

don't think of it as a dogma or requirement to do anything. just abstain to the things that don't work, knowing the higher order of pleasure is what we really want. from suffering comes faith and from faith comes joy, and the conditions needed for transcendental right view and uprooting these issues. when a rule is imposed upon nature, then nature pushes back. while there is suffering, there is also faith that arises, instead of feelings of anxiety, or remorse.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php


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