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Interpretations of the Taints and Fetters

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Interpretations of the Taints and Fetters

Postby nathan » Wed May 26, 2010 4:51 am

Since it is at the heart of the issue about what is and is not a noble person it seemed useful to start a thread to examine the teachings on these subjects and related issues. I'll try to find some pali definitions, sutta quotations and commentaries old and new on this subject. Anyone with related info or opinions is of course welcome to add more.
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Postby tiltbillings » Wed May 26, 2010 5:50 am

Five impossibilities, to wit, for an arahant intentionally to take life, or to take what is not given, so as to amount to theft, or to commit sexual offense, or to lie deliberately, or to spend stored-up treasure in worldly enjoyments, as in the days before he left the world. MN - I.523

. . . the arhant monk . . . cannot transgress nine standards: a monk in whom the cankers are destroyed, cannot deliberately take life of any living thing; cannot, with intention steal, take that which is not given; cannot engage in carnal intercourse; cannot intentionally tell a lie; cannot enjoy pleasures from savings, as of yore when a householder; . . . cannot go astray through desire, cannot go astray through hate; cannot go astray through delusion; cannot go astray through fear. AN IV.370.

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Postby nathan » Wed May 26, 2010 6:13 am

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Interpretations of the Taints and Fetters

Postby Ben » Wed May 26, 2010 7:15 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Interpretations of the Taints and Fetters

Postby retrofuturist » Wed May 26, 2010 8:09 am

Greetings,

A worthwhile book for anyone wishing to investigate asavas (taints)..

Mind Overcoming its Cankers by Buddharakkhita Thera
http://www.wisdom-books.com/ProductDetail.asp?PID=13961

It contains Buddharakkhita's translation of the Sabbasava Sutta, its ancient commentary, and provides a modern commentary too.

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Retro. :)
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Re: Interpretations of the Taints and Fetters

Postby Ben » Wed May 26, 2010 8:11 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Interpretations of the Taints and Fetters

Postby Kenshou » Mon May 31, 2010 7:43 pm

Well I would firstly ask you, what is it that might prevent him?

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Re: Interpretations of the Taints and Fetters

Postby gavesako » Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:08 am

This is a good simile:

"Just as when an ocean-going ship, rigged with masts & stays, after six months on the water, is left on shore for the winter: Its stays, weathered by the heat & wind, moistened by the clouds of the rainy season, easily wither & rot away. In the same way, when a monk dwells devoting himself to development, his fetters easily wither & rot away."

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Re: Interpretations of the Taints and Fetters

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Re: Interpretations of the Taints and Fetters

Postby Kenshou » Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:06 am

Why bother? Besides for curiosity's sake.

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