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Saddha

Postby Brizzy » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:22 am

A lot of pali words are left untranslated. One of the pali words that I personally wish was left untranslated is Saddha. It is invariably translated as faith, occasionally as confidence neither of which truly cover the joyous aspect. Saddha is the start of the path and this in itself is joyous. I find that when reading a sutta if I replace the word faith with "joyous confidence or joyous understanding" the sutta has more life.

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Postby tiltbillings » Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:29 am

"By faith you shall be free and go beyond the realm of death." -- Suttanipata 1146.

Like a fine horse coming under a whip, be zealous and inspired and eliminate trhis great suffering through faith, moral virtue, energy, concentration, discernment of righeousness, through being endowed with knowledge and conduct and mindfulness. Dhp 144

The good luck of virtue never fades,
faith also brings great good.
Wisdom is man's most precious gem,
merit no thief can ever steal.
S. I, 37

Endowed with faith and virtue,
speaking gently, free from selfishness:
such a woman purifies the pathway
leading to a future happiness.
A. IV, 6

The monk well-possessed of virtue,
the nun who is widely learned,
male and female lay disciples
who are fully endowed with faith --
it is they who illuminate the Sangha,
"lights of the Sangha" they are called.
A. II, 8

The flood is crossed by faith,
by vigilance the sea is crossed,
pain is overcome with vigor
by wisdom one is purified
. Sn. 184




"In this case, Ananda, the noble disciple possesses unwavering faith in the Buddha thus: 'The Blessed One is an Arahat, the Fully Enlightened One, perfect in knowledge and conduct, the Happy One, the knower of the world, the paramount trainer of beings, the teacher of gods and men, the Enlightened One, the Blessed One.'
"He possesses unwavering faith in the Dhamma thus: 'Well propounded by the Blessed One is the Dhamma, evident, timeless, inviting investigation, leading to emancipation, to be comprehended by the wise, each for himself.'
"He possesses unwavering faith in the Blessed One's Order of Disciples thus: 'Well faring is the Blessed One's Order of Disciples, righteously, wisely, and dutifully: that is to say, the four pairs of men, the eight classes of persons. The Blessed One's Order of Disciples is worthy of honor, of hospitality, of offerings, of veneration -- the supreme field for meritorious deeds in the world.'
Mahaparinibbanasutta


This is foremost for those with faith,
For those who know the foremost Dhamma:
Having faith in the Buddha as foremost,
Worthy of offerings, unsurpassed;
Having faith in the Dhamma as foremost,
The peace of detachment, bliss;
Having faith in the Sangha as foremost,
A field of merit unsurpassed.

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Re: Saddha

Postby David N. Snyder » Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:27 pm

I was shocked to see I didn't have saddhā in the Pali word a day thread, so put it there today. :tongue:

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Re: Saddha

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:48 am

Greetings,

I don't mind a straight translation as faith, because as identified above, the Buddhist tradition is very clear that saddha is to be complemented by panna. There's no need to let Christian values impinge upon the Dhamma.

(Excuse the use of diacritics, but I'm sure you know what I mean)

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Saddha

Postby Brizzy » Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:17 am

I think the joy that can be experienced, aka faith/confidence, can/does arise by understanding a certain teaching or part of a teaching. It is through knowing in your "heart" or whatever you wish to call it, that a certain teaching is "ABSOLUTELY TRUE". This, I think is the joyous aspect. Before that, Saddha might be termed as "trust".

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