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Choiceless Awareness

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
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Choiceless Awareness

Postby bodom » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:52 am

I am very interested in this meditation technique and am looking for modern day teachers who emphasise and teach this practice, books written on the subject, canonical and commentarial sources and any other helpful resources.

I have been reading some zen texts on shikantaza, which through experience I have found to be virtually no different from the Theravadan practice of choiceless awareness, but would like to find a Theravadan explanation and approach to the practice. Many thanks.

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Choiceless Awareness

Postby Alex123 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:08 am

Try
http://sayadawutejaniya.org/teachings/

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To speak precisely, there is no such thing as "choiceless" awareness. There is always a choice, even if it was a past one. All 5 consciousness is a result (vipāka) of past or present wholesome or unwholesome kamma (intentional action). Some mental functions are result as well.
In order to see, there must be attention to seeing. To hear, there must be attention to hearing. So one does have to choose to see, or to hear, etc etc.

Rather than "choiceless" awareness, I suggest right awareness with understanding.
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Re: Choiceless Awareness

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Re: Choiceless Awareness

Postby Goofaholix » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:49 am

Definately Sayadaw U Tejaniya, though there is encouragement to pay particular attention to feelings and mental states and particularly awareness itself it's choiceless from the point of view of being open to be aware of everything and anything that arises.

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Re: Choiceless Awareness

Postby jcsuperstar » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:40 am

i think there is a thread on shikantaza from way back were we talk about this
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: Choiceless Awareness

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Re: Choiceless Awareness

Postby PeterB » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:49 am

:thumbsup:

:anjali:

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Re: Choiceless Awareness

Postby bodom » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:43 pm

Thank you.

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Choiceless Awareness

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Re: Choiceless Awareness

Postby bodom » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:28 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Choiceless Awareness

Postby bodom » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:39 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Choiceless Awareness

Postby clw_uk » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:54 pm

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Re: Choiceless Awareness

Postby bodom » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:07 pm

Perhaps. But nothing is so simple or cut and dry. Especially within interpreting the Buddhadhamma. How much literature has proliferated around the Buddha's teachings even though he has taught only suffering and the end of suffering?

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Choiceless Awareness

Postby clw_uk » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:29 pm

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Re: Choiceless Awareness

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Re: Choiceless Awareness

Postby bodom » Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:28 pm

Hi Goofaholix

Yes, you are correct, but eventually even awareness of the body is dropped as well, as the mind is turned on to the mind. Of course there will always be a starting point, or point of focus even when beginning "just sitting". I imagine only meditation masters can sit on the cushion and plunge into pure awareness. I have just personally never come across any Therevadin teachers who have emphasised this sort of practice or took it to a level that practitioners of shikantaza have, that I know of.

The concept of "just sitting" has always been very intriguing to me and being a practicing Therevadin and not a zen practitioner, I did not think this sort of practice was open to me. Of course I can practice whatever I want, but I do not want to mix traditions or practices, though I do admire the old zen masters and their texts. So naturally, coming across the concept of sitting in "choiceless awareness" within Therevadin Buddhism have set the wheels rolling for me.

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Choiceless Awareness

Postby Alex123 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:49 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Choiceless Awareness

Postby bodom » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:00 pm

Hi Alex,

It is choiceless in the sense that with awareness one remains impartial, without reacting with greed or hatred, like or dislike. It is not so much about what the object of awareness is, but how the object is received with awareness, i.e. without attachment or aversion.

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Choiceless Awareness

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Re: Choiceless Awareness

Postby bodom » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:42 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/


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