I've been considering the practical application of the Anapanasati sutta, and the extracted highlights below seem to indicate a progression from samatha to vipassana.
Am I on the right track, and what other ways are there of applying this sutta in terms of practice?
( samatha )
"I shall breath in and out...tranquilising the mental formations...experiencing the mind...gladdening the mind...concentrating the mind."
( vipassana )
"I shall breath in and out...contemplating impermanence...contemplating fading away...comtemplating cessation...contemplating relinquishment."
Anapanasati sutta - practical application
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Yes, anapanasati can be used to develop both samatha and vipassana. See, for example, Ledi Sayadaw's Manual of Respiration and Ajahn Brahm's Reflections That Are Conducive To Liberation.
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I recently posted some other links here: http://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4631#p70886" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; related so a similar question.
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I might take each teaching in progression as a meditation intention, i.e., this week I will bring teachings 1 to 3 into each meditation session. Next week I will add 4. And so on, until I cover all 16 teachings in one meditation. Or, I might skip around, i.e., this session I will bring mindfulness of pitti (joy) into my meditation. Next session I might cover awareness of my body.
Buddadasasa Bhikkhu's book, Mindfulness with Breathing, is available on the Internet and is good at applying the Anap. Sutta to meditation sessions.
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Buddadasasa Bhikkhu's book, Mindfulness with Breathing, is available on the Internet and is good at applying the Anap. Sutta to meditation sessions.
jack
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Porpoiseporpoise wrote:I've been considering the practical application of the Anapanasati sutta, and the extracted highlights below seem to indicate a progression from samatha to vipassana.
Both 'experiencing' and 'contemplating' involve some kind of vipassana. 'Tranquillising' is samatha.
Anapanasati has both samatha & vipassana in each tetrad however the predominance of vipassana in each tetrad increases until the fourth tetrad is all vipassana.
The 3rd, 7th, 9th, 13th, 14th, 15th and 16th steps are of experiencing.
The 4th, 8th, 10th and 11th are directly concerned with tranquillising.
The 12th step is also one of tranquillising or clarifying, where the one-pointedness of concentration is released.
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If you're into Visuddhimagga, section "Mindfullness of breathing" discusses anapanasati in some detail - chapter VIII, paragraphs 145-244. In particular:
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There is also a Treatise on breathing in Patisambhidamagga - in the first division, treatise III (pages 162-208 in the PTS edition).VIII,186. The first tetrad is set forth as a meditation subject for a beginner (note 52), but the other three tetrads are [respectively] set forth as the contemplations of feeling, of [the manner] of consciousness, and of mental objects for one who has already attained jhana in this tetrad.
Note 52: "As a meditation subject for a beginner" is said with reference to the serenity (i.e.jhana) meditation subject; but the insight meditation subject applies to the other tetrads too' (Pm.266).
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Thanks for the replies - it looks like I have some reading to do.
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Hi Jack,Jack wrote:I might take each teaching in progression as a meditation intention, i.e., this week I will bring teachings 1 to 3 into each meditation session. Next week I will add 4. And so on, until I cover all 16 teachings in one meditation. Or, I might skip around, i.e., this session I will bring mindfulness of pitti (joy) into my meditation. Next session I might cover awareness of my body.
Buddadasasa Bhikkhu's book, Mindfulness with Breathing, is available on the Internet and is good at applying the Anap. Sutta to meditation sessions.
jack
I am not familiar with working the Anapanasati sutta in that manner. That method does not seem to be discussed in Mindfulness with Breathing either.
From Appendix D of Mindfulness with Breathing:
I don't want to make any judgments of your practice, of course. Maybe this method works for you or you have already thoroughly worked through the steps in the past. Are you intending to do this in a retreat or other secluded setting? I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm having a hard time understanding how to pull off something like this. It seems very fast paced.Always start at the beginning. Each session starts with establishing sati on the breath and then practicing step one. After you are skilled in step one, after you know it completely and can do it with ease, then go on to step two. Practice step two until you are expert in it and have learned everything that you need to know about it. Then you can go to step three. Do not fall into the confusion of a little of step one, then a bit of step two, then some of that, and some of this. We are often impatient with where we are and want to get somewhere else. It would do us well to restrain that urge. Practice the steps one at a time and stick with each one until you are an expert in it.
Vayadhammā saṅkhārā appamādena sampādethā.
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A basic question occurs to me here. We seem to be saying that breathing meditation can be used for both samatha and vipassana, but given that these are different activities then presumably our "relationship" to the breath is going to be different for each activity? Is it like the difference between the 4 foundations of mindfulness, we begin with mindfulness of the ( breath ) body and progress via feelings to the mind? Or is it the difference between initially focussing one-pointedly on the breath and then progressing to a more general "expansive" awareness which includes mental processes? I'm not sure I'm asking the question very clearly but I hope you see what I'm getting at.Moggalana wrote:Yes, anapanasati can be used to develop both samatha and vipassana. See, for example, Ledi Sayadaw's Manual of Respiration and Ajahn Brahm's Reflections That Are Conducive To Liberation.
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Moggalana wrote:Yes, anapanasati can be used to develop both samatha and vipassana. See, for example, Ledi Sayadaw's Manual of Respiration
I noticed this from the Manual of Respiration, which is a practice I sort of stumbled across myself but find quite useful ( I used the words "arising" on the in-breath and "ceasing" on the out-breath ):
"In the Ānāpānassati Sutta that is here dealt with, in accordance with the text “Contemplating impermanence, etc.,” the method given continues associating the practice of insight with mindfulness of respiration. The meaning is that when out-breaths are exhaled and in-breaths inhaled, they must be done with the additional special endeavour of the mind adverted on their characteristic of impermance and thus try to perceive their impermanence clearly."
It looks like there's a lot of interesting stuff in that Manual, I'll be making further visits.
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Hi Porpoise,
Basically, for samatha a more conceptual focus tends to be more effective. For vipassana the focus needs to be on actual sensations.
Mike
See my comments here: http://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4631#p70910" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;porpoise wrote: A basic question occurs to me here. We seem to be saying that breathing meditation can be used for both samatha and vipassana, but given that these are different activities then presumably our "relationship" to the breath is going to be different for each activity?
Basically, for samatha a more conceptual focus tends to be more effective. For vipassana the focus needs to be on actual sensations.
Mike
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Thanks for that. I'm still not sure I'm getting the difference between samatha and vipassana but will keep reading.mikenz66 wrote:Hi Porpoise,See my comments here: http://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4631#p70910" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;porpoise wrote: A basic question occurs to me here. We seem to be saying that breathing meditation can be used for both samatha and vipassana, but given that these are different activities then presumably our "relationship" to the breath is going to be different for each activity?
Basically, for samatha a more conceptual focus tends to be more effective. For vipassana the focus needs to be on actual sensations.
Mike
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Thanks, I've just ordered a copy of that.Jack wrote:.
Buddadasasa Bhikkhu's book, Mindfulness with Breathing, is available on the Internet and is good at applying the Anap. Sutta to meditation sessions.
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Both 'experiencing' and 'contemplating' involve some kind of vipassana. 'Tranquillising' is samatha.
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I think that's a good analysis, but in Anapanasati it appears that the breath is always involved - so how would you say that our "relationship" with the breath varies during these activities of experiencing, contemplating and tranquillising?
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Both 'experiencing' and 'contemplating' involve some kind of vipassana. 'Tranquillising' is samatha.
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I think that's a good analysis, but in Anapanasati it appears that the breath is always involved - so how would you say that our "relationship" with the breath varies during these activities of experiencing, contemplating and tranquillising?
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Hi Porpoise
Some would say that the anapansati performed in the way instructed in the sutta is a combination of samatha and vipassana. However maybe it is better to simply call it satipatthana and think of samatha and vipassana as a result -you may go into jhana (samatha) and/or gain insight (vipassana), rather than as technique. Suttas say that when performing satipatthana samatha vipassana grows.
Having said all that there is some merit in saying that the two are distinct methods as well
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Some would say that the anapansati performed in the way instructed in the sutta is a combination of samatha and vipassana. However maybe it is better to simply call it satipatthana and think of samatha and vipassana as a result -you may go into jhana (samatha) and/or gain insight (vipassana), rather than as technique. Suttas say that when performing satipatthana samatha vipassana grows.
Having said all that there is some merit in saying that the two are distinct methods as well
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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