Can an Arahant cry?

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Re: Can an Arahant cry?

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Re: Can an Arahant cry?

Postby Paul Davy » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:59 am


OK... yes... some people find the question irrelevant.

Be that as it may, it is what it is, so let's either leave this topic alone or get...


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Re: Can an Arahant cry?

Postby jcsuperstar » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:39 am

i don't think it is a question that can just be easily answered. that's why i asked about just what is crying and how does it happen. is it even a matter of citta? etc you cant answer doest an arahant do X until you define X and it seems here we have different opinions to what causes crying etc. so the question cant be answered then.
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Re: Can an Arahant cry?

Postby Ben » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:19 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:Give him some strong chillies and see. :stirthepot:


Does the biological act of crying necessitate a certain citta as its foundation?

Retro. :)

My opinion is probably not. I think it would depend on the mindstate. Some people while experiencing rapture (piti) express tears and the cittas associated with piti are very different to the cittas associated with unwholesome cittas where one is crying from gross aversion and or craving.
I remember reading a sutta, which I am having difficulty locating at the moment, where the Buddha declares that an arahant no longer cries. Unfortunately, I don't remember seeing a corresponding explanation in CMA - but I could be wrong.
If I locate that sutta or find a reference to the Abhidhamma or one of its commentaries, I will append it to this thread.
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Re: Can an Arahant cry?

Postby son of dhamma » Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:05 am

Arahants are still composed of the four elements :reading: , including water or the element of fluidity. Technically and for all purposes, conditions that are utterly external could cause the element of fluidity in an Arahant to make as tears. Is this a good base to discuss on, now?
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