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Re: according to the pali canon, what happens after you die?

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Re: according to the pali canon, what happens after you die?

Postby Annapurna » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:55 pm

"What happens after you die?"

Great question, especially when we think of other schools, and "Bardo"...

I recall that back in e sangha, I once read that it will take maximum 40 days to be reborn, and I was shocked.

I thought that was way too fast.
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Re: according to the pali canon, what happens after you die?

Postby cooran » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:36 pm

The question in the title of this thread is:

"according to the pali canon, what happens after you die?"

As this is the Classical Theravada Forum, can we keep discussion within those parameters? Let's not let yet another thread degenerate and then have to transfer it to another sub-forum.

Zac - the english words in the translations depend upon the knowledge and decisions of the translator. They are not the actual word used by the Buddha, and you can have different english words used in different translations. It is pointless saying "See! the Buddha said reborn" - correct understanding depends upon the skill of the translator, and the knowledge of the person reading it. Confusion can occur by just taking a word and giving it a modern-day meaning.

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Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:03 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: according to the pali canon, what happens after you die?

Postby cooran » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:27 am

Hello Retro,

Ven. Sir was talking about a Sammasambuddha.

How is this comparable in any way whatsoever with what the Buddha taught in many places about what happens to an ordinary unenlightened flux of becoming? i.e. Us.

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Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:31 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: according to the pali canon, what happens after you die?

Postby cooran » Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:44 am

Hello Mike and Retro,

No-body is talking about a self or soul. it is understood as Theravada 101 that all that "you and I and everybody" are, is a temporarily arising and fallling flux of becoming consisting of kammic accumulations and latent tendencies.

Maybe we are talking at cross-purposes?
Please show me where the Buddha taught that what happens at the parinibbana of the Tathagata is the same as what happens to the continuum of an unenlightened satta at death of the body. Or, is this not what you are saying?

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: according to the pali canon, what happens after you die?

Postby mikenz66 » Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:01 am

Hi Chris,

I was trying to agree with you! There are discourses, such as the one involving Sati, where the key error has to do with thinking of things in terms of a self. It is equally clear from that and other Suttas that there is (not-self) rebirth (for non Arahants).

Your point about the discourses where the Buddha refers to the Tatagatha after death is interesting. Is he speaking specifically about a Buddha, about an Arahant, or about anyone? I'm not aware of any discourses like that where it's not "The Tathagatha", but even if there were, it seems to me that the questions would still be erroneous due to anatta, not because there was no rebirth.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: according to the pali canon, what happens after you die?

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Re: according to the pali canon, what happens after you die?

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:25 am

Precisely so, Tilt.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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