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Re: A sotapanna

Postby SamKR » Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:51 am

Dear Virgo,

I am inclined to believe that you are a sotapanna. Now please strive towards being Sakadagami, Anagami and Arahant asap!!!

But it would be better if you do not make public of your attainments, being compassionate towards we Anariya people who can become very confused because of the claims.

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Re: A sotapanna

Postby Ben » Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:31 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: A sotapanna

Postby jcsuperstar » Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:44 am

so are you gonna give ordination another try?
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: A sotapanna

Postby cooran » Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:27 am

Hello all,

This excerpt is not aimed at Virgo - but rather as additional information and caution for anyone wondering about their own or anothers' level of achievement.

Excerpt from "Sotapattimagga - The Path of the Sotapanna" ~ The Teachings of Ajahn Anan Akincano. p 38 - p 40 . 2008. (Thai language http://www.watmarpjan.org/ )

"FALSELY ASSUMING THE FRUITS OF SOTAPANNA

We have to keep on guard. Sometimes when the mind is luminous and bright we think we see it all totally clearly. Maybe we will think, "Hey, now I am a sotapanna! I've been watching over the mind and I'm free of sensual craving and there are only minimal thoughts arising."

There are some centres where the students go to ask about their meditation and the teacher will approve, saying, "The mind in this state has reached the level of sakadagami." There are a lot of these places.

There was once a layman who was practicing in the forest tradition. When he meditated he couldn't get any peace at all. So he went and visited another teacher who taught, instructed and guided him in the practice. At first this man couldn't even sit still for one hour, but when he went and sat with this other teacher he could sit six or seven hours, maybe even all night.

After that, this layman was pleased with the results and went to consult this teacher who declared that the layman had seen the Dhamma. From then on he thought he was an ariya-puggala. He couldn't restrain himself from boasting about it. Wherever he went he would loudly broadcast to others that he knew and saw, that he had the Dhamma firmly in his heart. But it was merely on the level of sanna (memory).

Later this man, with the help of one of Luang Pu Mun's disciples, was able to correct this view and backed off from his position. With a view that has become firmly ingrained, it's hard to straighten out. It's hard, but it's not beyond the capacity of some teachers.

This is the very reason Luang Pu Chah would never answer any questions like this and say, "This monk is at this level, this monk is at that level." He would never say what level of attainment someone had achieved. He would always teach about those things with wisdom. He would say that it's paccattam - one knows and experiences for oneself.

Sometimes Luang Pu Chah would teach using similes. Some monks would say, "This monk is an arahant, he's this and that, he has no sexual craving and he has no more wanting or liking for anything." Then they would go and ask Luang Pu Chah. He would say, "If a frog stays down in a hole for many months, does that make it an arahant? Is it really an arahant now?" That's how he would answer, enabling us to contemplate and understand the matter clearly.

It's wrong to jump to conclusions when special experiences arise from the practice and we label and interpret them as an attainment of one level or another. This is the reason a lot of delusion arises. In some monasteries there are many "sotapannas" and "sakadagamis," but as time passes they all seem to disappear. We see this in some places.

But in our Wat Nong Pah Pong lineage, those who have practiced well don't talk about levels of achievement, because those that have achieved know for themselves. They understand the various ways and methods of practice. Luang Pu Chah emphasised this a lot."


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Re: A sotapanna

Postby acinteyyo » Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:42 pm

:goodpost:
Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: A sotapanna

Postby Zom » Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:24 pm

Sotappana? Check yourself again on this lets say so.. after 40 years -)

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Re: A sotapanna

Postby beeblebrox » Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:41 pm

Alright, I see now, thanks for the clarification.

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Re: A sotapanna

Postby Aloka » Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:54 pm

.

Interesting public announcement.

I recalled this earlier thread:

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