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i was being killed.....

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i was being killed.....

Postby lppaefans » Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:01 am



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Re: i was being killed.....

Postby Jechbi » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:52 pm

I appreciate your sentiments, but I don't think it's exactly accurate to anthropomorphize a crab like this. I doubt very much that a crab will miss its family, for example.

But I could be wrong ...

Pass the salad.

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Postby Annapurna » Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:17 pm

Actually I read a masterpiece of contemporary literature, where a interesting process was described.

A journalist suddenly found himself in the body of a cow, at the slaughterhouse.

Tried to tell the human beings that he was journalist XY, who originally wanted to write an article about the modern methods here....

But all he brought forth was a rough and deep : "Moo-oooooo!!!"

When he didn't want to trot along with the other cows, he got kicked and beaten, and tried to run away, but marched with the rest, still trying to tell those guys it was a horrible mistke...somehow tell them...."mooo--ooo---ooooo....."

To no avail.

The rest of the story was eerie and chilling. He got slaughtered.

I could never again look at meat or cattle the way I did before-

It had a highly enlightening effect upon me.

So thanks for showing us the whole thing from another, drastic perspective, that is perhaps a bit uncomfortable. But a reality.

So often, on this planet, one being gets a real kick out of something, while the other one is in agony because of that.

Ever thought about it, that a rapists-killer gets off, while his victim is in great pain and dying?

Same with an oyster eaten alive, -the bizzarre contrast between suffering and pleasure.
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Re: i was being killed.....

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The best things in life aren't things.


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The best things in life aren't things.


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Postby jcsuperstar » Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:42 am

english is the language in singapore... i think it was just a typo
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Postby Annapurna » Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:10 am


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are a multitude of languages spoken in Singapore that reflect its multi-racial, multi-cultural and multi-lingual society.

The Singapore government recognises four official languages: English, Malay, Mandarin, and Tamil. The national language is Malay, while English is mainly used as the business and working language. The colloquial patois spoken on the streets is a creole called Singlish amongst the locals, but is also known amongst academics in linguistics as Singapore Colloquial English.


Obviously, the OP is no Native speaker of English.
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The best things in life aren't things.


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Postby Prasadachitta » Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:19 pm

Some people see parallels between lobsters and themselves. They see lobsters reacting abruptly and apparently with extreme urgency when being boiled. Some other people think this is misplaced empathy and there is no reason to feel remorse for being involved in such an act. Having experienced both of these kind of people I choose not to eat Lobster out of concern for the possibility that the lobster is being put through physical and emotional pain. Even though I have not in the past when I ate lobster felt much concern for them. Initially I became sensitive to the concerns of other more sensitive people. Even if the lobster doesn't feel pain I doubt any amount of scientific verification will stop such sensitive people from becoming concerned for the welfare of lobsters. I am grateful for such people. While they might be a pain sometimes when our comfort levels are challenged in regard to expanding our ethical sensibilities they help us see our attachments and aversions which our lack of sensitivity might be missing.

Just a few of my thoughts.

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I was still editing while you replied.

So read my post again.
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Re: i was being killed.....

Postby Tex » Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:35 pm

Without even getting into the sentience debate, it's my understanding that eating meat is permissable in Theravada only if the animal is not specifically killed for our consumption. So picking a lobster out of a tank at a restaurant to be cooked for us would not be appropriate whether it suffers in the pot or not, right?
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Postby retrofuturist » Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:38 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Postby Tex » Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:43 pm

Retro, thanks for correcting. Perhaps what I'd misremembered had to do with sharing in the kamma of killing the animal by choosing its time of death?
"To reach beyond fear and danger we must sharpen and widen our vision. We have to pierce through the deceptions that lull us into a comfortable complacency, to take a straight look down into the depths of our existence, without turning away uneasily or running after distractions." -- Bhikkhu Bodhi

"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man." -- Heraclitus


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