what's your hindrance?

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.

what's your hindrance?

1.Sensual desire (kāmacchanda)
9
21%
2.Anger or ill-will (byāpāda, vyāpāda)
9
21%
3.Sloth-torpor or boredom (thīna-middha)
14
33%
4.Restlessness-worry (uddhacca-kukkucca)
9
21%
5.Doubt (vicikicchā)
1
2%
 
Total votes: 42

User avatar
jcsuperstar
Posts: 1915
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:15 am
Location: alaska
Contact:

what's your hindrance?

Post by jcsuperstar »

the five hindrances (Pali: pañca nīvaraṇāni)[1] are negative mental states that impede success with meditation (jhāna / bhāvanā) and lead away from enlightenment (nibbāna). These states are:

1.Sensual desire (kāmacchanda): Craving for pleasure to the senses.
2.Anger or ill-will (byāpāda, vyāpāda): Feelings of malice directed toward others.
3.Sloth-torpor or boredom (thīna-middha): Half-hearted action with little or no concentration.
4.Restlessness-worry (uddhacca-kukkucca): The inability to calm the mind.
5.Doubt (vicikicchā): Lack of conviction or trust.
while we are all affected by the five hindrances, is there one you struggle with the most? how do you deal with it?
share tips and experiences here, maybe we could help each other along.

metta
jc :heart:
สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat
User avatar
retrofuturist
Posts: 27858
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:52 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Contact:

Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by retrofuturist »

Greetings,
jcsuperstar wrote:while we are all affected by the five hindrances, is there one you struggle with the most?
Sleepiness (so, sloth-and-torpor)
jcsuperstar wrote:how do you deal with it?
Wake up and think, "Ooh... I must have fallen asleep"
jcsuperstar wrote:share tips and experiences here, maybe we could help each other along.
Beautiful. :heart:

:meditate:

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
User avatar
jcsuperstar
Posts: 1915
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:15 am
Location: alaska
Contact:

Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by jcsuperstar »

i voted Restlessness-worry (uddhacca-kukkucca) though it could be Doubt (vicikicchā): Lack of conviction or trust. although from what I've read vicikicchā means doubt in the method, practice or teacher which isn't my problem, it's doubt in myself and worry that I'm not practicing right. it can be overwhelming sometimes and even lead to Anger or ill-will (byāpāda, vyāpāda) which can build up into wanting to just end the meditation. i struggle with this beating myself up thing though off the cushion as well so as you can see i haven't figured out any way to overcome it. although when byāpāda, vyāpāda arise i can pretty much just breathe that away so that really isnt too much of a problem.
สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat
Reductor
Posts: 1382
Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:52 am
Location: Alberta, Canada

Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by Reductor »

I voted restlessness. For me its restlessness from to much zeal or energy. I have to balance it off with calm and it can be quite a prickly little pain in the bottom.
Kenshou
Posts: 1030
Joined: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:03 am
Location: Minneapolis, MN

Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by Kenshou »

Restlesness here, too. Just gotta sit down and focus, it mellows out soon enough.
User avatar
Viscid
Posts: 931
Joined: Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:55 pm
Location: Toronto, Canada
Contact:

Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by Viscid »

All of them.
"What holds attention determines action." - William James
User avatar
IanAnd
Posts: 403
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:19 am
Location: the deserts of Arizona

Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by IanAnd »

I've got to second Retro's answer. :zzz: It used to be tiredness or sleepiness. And I don't mind saying that it can be a real bitch to overcome. I mean, you do the whole bit that is recommended in the discourses, splash water on the face, jump up and down, and the whole nine yards, and you're still just tired or sleepy.

So, how did I overcome this for good?

I kept reading the suttas, looking for another answer other than what was being obviously presented. Most of you probably aren't going to like this, because it almost sounds so obvious that we almost always overlook it. At first glance, you might say, "Well, sure. If I could do that, I probably wouldn't need to meditate. I'd have it made." And it does work! At least it worked for me. And I've never looked back since.

I've mentioned this before, but it's probably worth mentioning again. I was reading the MahaSatipatthana Sutta (DN 22) and came across these lines: "Here a monk, having gone into the forest, or to the root of a tree or to an empty place, sits down cross-legged, holding his body erect, having established mindfulness before him. Mindfully he breaths in, mindfully he breaths out."

We've all read this before, haven't we? So, what's so mind-blowing about this passage. I mean, it seems pretty straightforward and boring, doesn't it? What could possibly be here that could revolutionize our practice that we haven't already done?

Well, I'll tell you.

It was the last five words of the first sentence that finally caught my eye. I got to thinking. "You know, I really don't do this, do I. I mean, I usually get up in the morning, go through a quick morning routine, and then, because I don't have any extra time to waste, I sit down and begin trying to meditate so I can get on with the rest of my day. Very rarely do I take the time to establish mindfulness before I meditate."

So, I began to make sure I was awake in the morning before I began my sit (as often before, I would just start attempting to meditate whether I was fully awake or not, whether I was being mindful or not). Well, when I began to establish mindfulness before meditating, that changed the whole ballgame for me. Suddenly, each meditation really meant something, and I was experiencing better and better meditation sessions. The mind was calming down more quickly, becoming still, and I was more alert and awake and able to contemplate better. My alertness increased big time, and my meditations became deeper and more profound with insight.

Many times, in order to make sure I was fully awake, I would take extra time to just sit and read for a while before meditating. Usually something that I knew would stimulate and enhance the meditation. Something that I could keep in mind as a kind of guidepost to what I wanted to be able to accomplish and use during contemplation. More times than not, it helped to set the tone for the whole meditation session by infusing the mind with a pathway to follow once the meditation began.

Suffice to say, I have never had any problems with sloth and torpor since then.

Here's another little trick you can use. At night, before nodding off to sleep, give yourself a brief post-slumber suggestion. It doesn't need to be anything fancy. Something like this will do: "I will sleep restfully, and awaken refreshed, alert and focused." I usually say it three times to myself before going to sleep. And 99 times out of a hundred, it works! I wake up refreshed and ready to go in the morning, with no morning grogginess or mental dullness. It's called making a mental resolution. And the mind will obey once you begin regaining control of it.

Try it sometime. You might just surprise yourself.
"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV
User avatar
Wind
Posts: 342
Joined: Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:10 pm

Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by Wind »

1 3 and 5 for me. :weep:
User avatar
bodom
Posts: 7219
Joined: Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:18 pm
Location: San Antonio, Texas

Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by bodom »

If im nodding its walking meditation for me.

:anjali:
Liberation is the inevitable fruit of the path and is bound to blossom forth when there is steady and persistent practice. The only requirements for reaching the final goal are two: to start and to continue. If these requirements are met there is no doubt the goal will be attained. This is the Dhamma, the undeviating law.

- BB
User avatar
IanAnd
Posts: 403
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:19 am
Location: the deserts of Arizona

Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by IanAnd »

jcsuperstar wrote:i voted Restlessness-worry (uddhacca-kukkucca) . . . it's doubt in myself and worry that I'm not practicing right. it can be overwhelming sometimes and even lead to Anger or ill-will (byāpāda, vyāpāda) which can build up into wanting to just end the meditation.
It's not hard to see why both sloth and torpor and restlessness and worry garner the majority of the votes here. These are two of the most pernicious hindrances to meditation.

Before sloth and torpor took over first place for me, I used to have some trouble with restlessness and worry. This was mostly early on during the thirty years I've been meditating. Usually, it was something going on in my life that had the mind in a restless tizzy. This was even before I knew about and took up Buddhist meditation techniques, so I had to figure this one out for myself.

I suppose it may depend upon what triggers a person's restlessness or worry. So, what I have to suggest as an antidote may not work for everyone in every situation. But since there were definite causes happening in my life at the time, I just began to use the meditation session for contemplating whatever concerns I might be having. In other words, I used the subject of the restlessness or worry as a meditation object. It helped me begin to see some light at the end of the tunnel, so to speak, regarding whatever it was that I was concerned about. So, in that sense, it worked to help overcome the haunting feelings that were overcoming me.

The reason I did this at the time was because usually, the only time I had to think about these things was during my meditation sessions. Those were very busy days, and I had little time to myself back then. I figured I might as well use the meditation time as a practical stress reliever, and though I wondered if I was getting anything accomplished with my meditation practice back then, it was worth it to relieve some of the stress.

So, if the kind of restlessness and worry you experience has something to do with a practical matter going on in your life at the time, use that as an object for meditation and contemplation. Ending the restlessness can help you move on to the more practical matters of meditation practice itself and what you ultimately want to accomplish with it, while serving as a kind of practice in itself.
"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV
User avatar
retrofuturist
Posts: 27858
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:52 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Contact:

Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by retrofuturist »

Greetings Ian,

Thanks for the advice! :thumbsup:

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
Mawkish1983
Posts: 1285
Joined: Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:46 am
Location: Essex, UK

Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by Mawkish1983 »

Sensual desire is an constant problem, but I don't think it's my biggest obstacle to meditation: bone-idle laziness is. It's strange, I can easily motivate myself to read the suttas, but 'can't be bothered' to meditate. I have to force myself to sit. I like to blame my obscure weekly routine, my high workload, my wife (!!), anything I can... but honestly I'm just lazy.

So, rather than sit, I try to keep mindful (particularly of my breathing as much as I can) throughout the day. I usually sit properly only on Uposatha days. I'd like to meditate everyday really. Hmph.
User avatar
Monkey Mind
Posts: 538
Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:56 pm
Location: Pacific Northwest, USA

Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by Monkey Mind »

Sensual desire. I'd rather eat, drink, watch entertainments, read a good book, pleasure myself, etc. then meditate. Meditating twice a day comes from reminding myself that if I died right now...
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710
User avatar
bodom
Posts: 7219
Joined: Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:18 pm
Location: San Antonio, Texas

Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by bodom »

Mawkish1983 wrote:bone-idle laziness..I have to force myself to sit...honestly I'm just lazy.
How ironic someone that describes themselves to be bone-idle lazy cant even sit still for an hour!! I would think that it would come naturally. :tongue:

:anjali:
Liberation is the inevitable fruit of the path and is bound to blossom forth when there is steady and persistent practice. The only requirements for reaching the final goal are two: to start and to continue. If these requirements are met there is no doubt the goal will be attained. This is the Dhamma, the undeviating law.

- BB
Reductor
Posts: 1382
Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:52 am
Location: Alberta, Canada

Re: what's your hindrance?

Post by Reductor »

bodom wrote:
Mawkish1983 wrote:bone-idle laziness..I have to force myself to sit...honestly I'm just lazy.
How ironic someone that describes themselves to be bone-idle lazy cant even sit still for an hour!! I would think that it would come naturally. :tongue:

:anjali:
Bwahahaha!! I didn't think of that. Good catch. :rofl:
Post Reply