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Re: About not kill any living being

Postby octathlon » Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:00 am

A lot of this doesn't seem logical to me.

I keep reading that if you don't intend to kill or harm, you don't reap any kamma from the action. What if for example, you are very tired but decide to drive anyway, fall asleep at the wheel and kill a person? You knew it was dangerous to drive, but you didn't intend to harm anyone, so you are in the clear? This may not be the best example, but there are many other possible examples of causing great harm to others without intending it, when we could have avoided it if we had been more thoughtful. What about shady business practices due to greed which result in people's life savings being lost, though you didn't intend harm to them, you knew the business practice was wrong?

yet on the other hand:

A tapeworm is infesting you and threatening your life, but you must not kill it? -- the kamma from that is so bad it would be better to let yourself die than kill the worm? And killing a worm intentionally is worse than killing a person through negligence?

What am I missing? :thinking:

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Re: About not kill any living being

Postby bodom » Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:13 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: About not kill any living being

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Re: About not kill any living being

Postby salmon » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:26 am

This might be completely irrelevant...but I once saw a Thai forest monk (who is very well respected) accidentally swat a mozzie on his arm, thereby killing it. I must have looked quite shocked coz when he noticed me staring, he grinned and said "mai mii Cetana" (trans. No Cetana present). His mindfulness had dropped at that moment, and he swiped to scratch an itch on his arm...hence accidentally killing the mozzie that was having his meal. :tongue:

EDIT: By the way, I vaguely remember reading something about a blind arahant killing ants when he stepped on them and the Buddha explaining why no kamma was involved. Anyone got a better picture?
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Re: About not kill any living being

Postby Terasi » Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:29 pm

I read that bacteria have no conciousness, so I can understand that there may be difference between killing an elephant and boiling water to drink.

But how about killing a person, an elephant, a mosquito, different or not?

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Re: About not kill any living being

Postby kc2dpt » Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:07 pm

- Peter


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- Peter


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- Peter


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Re: About not kill any living being

Postby bodom » Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:20 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: About not kill any living being

Postby Refugee » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:14 pm

Recently, I was faced with this dilemma: The fixed (built-in) wooden cupboards in my kitchen were infested with termites that had already eaten sections of the woodwork. There is no way to literally trap these termites because they are inside the wood. The only way I could think of to stop their spread and damage is to use a pesticide. I did this. I felt really bad while using the pesticide and afterwards.
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Re: About not kill any living being

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Re: About not kill any living being

Postby salmon » Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:59 am

Thanks for the link to the story bodom!
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Re: About not kill any living being

Postby kc2dpt » Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:21 am

- Peter


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Re: About not kill any living being

Postby Kenshou » Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:50 am

Well, seeing as from a Buddhist perspective human birth is very valuable, it would be better to get rid of it and take whatever bad results. I doubt that anyone but an arahant would choose do any differently.

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Re: About not kill any living being

Postby kc2dpt » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:32 pm

On the other hand, I have heard the way to ensure a human birth in one's next life is to adhere to the five precepts.
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Re: About not kill any living being

Postby Kenshou » Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:51 pm

But then, if you aren't sure about rebirth, that might not be a strong enough of a bargain. If you are then I guess it's a different situation.

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Re: About not kill any living being

Postby adosa » Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:08 pm

Or on the other hand your re-birth might be as a mudpuppy if you passed away now, so you had better survive for awhile longer.


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Re: About not kill any living being

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Re: About not kill any living being

Postby Goedert » Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:09 pm

Friends,

You can try to use incense. Insects don't like smoke.

You can try to make the Heaven tapeworm place, try to make a place with nutrients they like, things to they live on. Then when all of them get into the Heaven tapeworm place, get it out of your house and put it far away, put it on the woods.

Hope it helps.


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