Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

[jcsuperstar]

emulation perhaps?

[dhamma_spoon]

emulation perhaps?

Emulation is faking, isn't it?
Like an actor playing as Jesus in a documentary film?

Tep
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[jcsuperstar]

no that would be imitation

[bodom]

emulation perhaps?

Emulation is faking, isn't it?
Like an actor playing as Jesus in a documentary film?

Tep
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Fake it till you make it.

[dhamma_spoon]

emulation perhaps?

Emulation is faking, isn't it?
Like an actor playing as Jesus in a documentary film?

Tep
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Fake it till you make it.

Dear Boredom, -

Faking is on the opposite side of truth/reality. Failure to see the truth from the very beginning never takes you back to reality.
How would you fake the first jhana, for example?

Tep
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[bodom]

Its a 12 step slogan. And sorry for being so boring lol.

[dhamma_spoon]

Its a 12 step slogan. And sorry for being so boring lol.

Well, boring means making a hole -- so I hope that hole leads us somewhere!
Let's start with Step 1, please. How does the slogan work?

Tep
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[bodom]

Well step 1 my name is BODOM not boredom or boring.

Step 2 read this short article:

Fake it till you make it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_it_till_you_make_it

[dhamma_spoon]

Well step 1 my name is BODOM not boredom or boring.

Step 2 read this short article:

Fake it till you make it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_it_till_you_make_it

Okay, okay, bodom. You don't like my joke, so I will not call you Boredom again.
The article "Fake it .." is for uninstructed puthujjanas (worldlings) who enjoy delusion and pretending.
The article's idea is "to go through the routines of life as if one were enjoying them, despite the fact that initially it feels forced, and continue doing this until the happiness becomes real".
What they think is a "real happiness" is deluded because its origin is faked -- they do not have truths to begin with.
Only "seeing and knowing things the way they really are" leads to real happiness, according to our Teacher -- the Buddha.

Tep
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[bodom]

Im not sure why you seem to think I am endorsing this type of practice over the practice as taught by the Buddha.
I made a generalised statement. It was not meant to be the final word on anything. I was going off of JC's post and posted something I thought was relevant to the direction the thread was taking. You asked for info regarding the phrase so I posted a link. I didn't write it nor do I adhere to it.

[dhamma_spoon]

Im not sure why you seem to think I am endorsing this type of practice over the practice as taught by the Buddha.
I made a generalised statement. It was not meant to be the final word on anything. I was going off of JC's post and posted something I thought was relevant to the direction the thread was taking. You asked for info regarding the phrase so I posted a link. I didn't write it nor do I adhere to it.

Thank you, Bodom, for the clarification. No, I did not think you chose that wrong "practice" over the Buddh's Teachings.
Let's drop the issue for now. My apology for mishandling it.

Truly yours,

Tep
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[bodom]

No apologies necessary.

[dhamma_spoon]

No apologies necessary.

Thank you for the letting go!


Tep
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[Dharma Atma]

There is said in the text:

Not in hopes of material gain
does he take on the training;
when without material gain
he isn't upset.

... he isn't upset. But in this context, should we understand money as a difficulty that can damage to our spiritual development? until we "aren't upset" without coins...

[dhamma_spoon]

There is said in the text:

Not in hopes of material gain
does he take on the training;
when without material gain
he isn't upset.

... he isn't upset. But in this context, should we understand money as a difficulty that can damage to our spiritual development? until we "aren't upset" without coins...

Hi, Dharma Atma -

[Ha ha ! That is pretty amusing.]

It is true that 100% of householders [worldling, puthujjana] who are without "coins" (and bills, or a fat checkbook) are easily upset. But in the sutta context, as I understand it, the term 'material gain' means monk robe, alms food, medicine and other accessories that ease the monkhood difficulties.

Tep
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[jcsuperstar]

There is said in the text:

Not in hopes of material gain
does he take on the training;
when without material gain
he isn't upset.

... he isn't upset. But in this context, should we understand money as a difficulty that can damage to our spiritual development? until we "aren't upset" without coins...

a person isn't supposed to take on the training (IE become a monk) for some sort of reward, this is wrong motivation, the goal is not to be a rich monk or a famous teacher.
in lay terms i would suppose one isn't supposed to give to monks and temples in hopes of having answered prayers.