Hi, Bodom and other members -
Bodom: "The two sutta quotes you gave are listing the qualities of those ALREADY in attainment of stream entry, the virtues they now posess as stream winners, not what is required for stream entry."
Tep: "I believe that AN 5.179 and AN 3.87 show clearly that purification of virtue is a qualification for Stream-entry, Bodom."
AN 5.179 : ... he is restrained in terms of the five training rules and that he obtains at will, without difficulty, without hardship, four pleasant mental abidings in the here & now, then if he wants he may state about himself: 'Hell is ended; animal wombs are ended; the state of the hungry shades is ended; states of deprivation, destitution, the bad bourns are ended! I am a stream-winner, steadfast, never again destined for states of woe, headed for self-awakening!'
Tep: Note that the fourth mental abiding is endowment with " with virtues that are appealing to the noble ones: untorn, unbroken, unspotted, unsplattered, liberating, praised by the wise, untarnished, leading to concentration."
AN 3.87: ..But as for the training rules that are basic to the holy life and proper to the holy life, his virtue is permanent, his virtue is steadfast. With the total ending of [the first] three fetters, he is a stream-winner, steadfast, never again destined for states of woe, headed for self-awakening."
Let's discuss the above case to reach some conclusion first, before moving on to the controversial case about the drunkard who became sotapanna in the last minute.