Hi, Bodom -bodom wrote:Hi Dhamma_Spoon
Do you have a source that states purification of virtue is a requirement for stream entry?
The only qualifications regarding stream entry found in the suttas are as follows:
Association with people of integrity is a factor for stream-entry. Listening to the true Dhamma is a factor for stream-entry. Appropriate attention is a factor for stream-entry. Practice in accordance with the Dhamma is a factor for stream-entry. - — SN 55.5
How do you reconcile your statement that purification of virtue is a requirement for stream entry with the sutta at A IV 213, when a drunken layman, sobered up through the impact of meeting the Buddha for the first time, realized stream-entry during a gradual discourse?
I appreciate your formal request that I give a source of verification on purification of virtue as a Stream-entry qualification/factor of requirement.
I concur with you about the four factors FOR Stream-entry above. I interpret the fourth factor, i.e. Practice in accordance with the Dhamma, to include purification of virtue. Why? Because Sila-Samadhi-Panna is the heart of the Buddha's Dhamma practice, and perfection in Sila is satisfied at the Stream-entry level. Of course, perfection in Sila of a Sotapanna is less than that in an arahant. So the word 'perfection' is absolute only at the arahant level.
I do not have access to A IV 213, so I cannot reconcile it with my statement on purification of virtue at this point. Could you please provide a Web link to this sutta for me to study first?
Below is a collection of sutta quotes that positively confirm that purification of virtue is a requirement for stream entry.
"There is the case where the disciple of the noble ones is endowed with unwavering confidence in the Awakened One... unwavering confidence in the Dhamma... unwavering confidence in the Sangha... He/she is endowed with virtues that are appealing to the noble ones: untorn, unbroken, unspotted, unsplattered, liberating, praised by the wise, untarnished, leading to concentration." [AN 10.92]
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"The great earth is far greater, lord. The little bit of dust the Blessed One has picked up with the tip of his fingernail is next to nothing. It's not a hundredth, a thousandth, a one hundred-thousandth — this little bit of dust the Blessed One has picked up with the tip of his fingernail — when compared with the great earth."
"Sariputta, when you know of a householder clothed in white, that he is restrained in terms of the five training rules and that he obtains at will, without difficulty, without hardship, four pleasant mental abidings in the here & now, then if he wants he may state about himself: 'Hell is ended; animal wombs are ended; the state of the hungry shades is ended; states of deprivation, destitution, the bad bourns are ended! I am a stream-winner, steadfast, never again destined for states of woe, headed for self-awakening!' [AN 5.179]
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Tep: The five "training rules" are : the Five Precepts: 1. abstains from taking life, 2. abstains from taking what is not given, 3. abstains from illicit sex, 4. abstains from lying, 5. abstains from distilled & fermented drinks that cause heedlessness
The four pleasant "mental abidings" (anussati ) are : 1. endowed with unwavering faith in the Awakened One, 2. endowed with unwavering faith in the Dhamma, 3. endowed with unwavering faith in the Sangha, 4. endowed with virtues that are appealing to the noble ones: untorn, unbroken, unspotted, unsplattered, liberating, praised by the wise, untarnished, leading to concentration.
Truly,
Tep
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