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Buddhism and Psychedelics

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Buddhism and Psychedelics

Postby Moth » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:39 pm

In your opinion, is moderate use of mind-altering plants such as Ayahuasca and Psilocybin Mushrooms a violation of the fifth precept and more importantly a detriment to Buddhist practice? I myself find occasional use beneficial if approached properly, however I can understand how such heightened states of consciousness can lead to attachment and confusion. If taken not for the actual state of intoxication but rather for the understanding it brings to normal life, I feel these tools can be quite beneficial. Further, were it not for such experiences I feel I would never have ended up a Buddhist, though like all vessels, I know these things must eventually be discarded. I'm interested to hear what you folks think.
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Re: Buddhism and Psychedelics

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:49 pm

Ah, the 60's.

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Re: Buddhism and Psychedelics

Postby Kenshou » Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:27 pm

Do they help you to understand the impermanence and unreliability of all phenomena, and to end clinging and aversion? I kinda doubt it. More likely to take you down some colorful and appealing but useless sideroads I think, and that's just more samsara. Real insight needs to be found in reality as it is, not when viewed through psilocybin-tinted goggles.

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Re: Buddhism and Psychedelics

Postby acinteyyo » Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:11 am

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: Buddhism and Psychedelics

Postby Kenshou » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:31 am

Well, I could be wrong but I think the original precept deals only with alcohol, and so a stubborn person could use that as an excuse to do other drugs and not be technically wrong, though you don't need to tell me that in order to act with the intended spirit of the precept we should abstain from all mind-altering drugs in general.

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Re: Buddhism and Psychedelics

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สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: Buddhism and Psychedelics

Postby Tex » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:32 pm

"To reach beyond fear and danger we must sharpen and widen our vision. We have to pierce through the deceptions that lull us into a comfortable complacency, to take a straight look down into the depths of our existence, without turning away uneasily or running after distractions." -- Bhikkhu Bodhi

"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man." -- Heraclitus

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Re: Buddhism and Psychedelics

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Re: Buddhism and Psychedelics

Postby altar » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:30 pm

Moth I'm sorry most of the posts on here are rather dismissive.
These drugs can be rather radically mind changing at least for a temporary period. And it's not a simple high but actual perception changes I believe. I even had a call to buddhism on one experience on mushrooms. It also (can) teach people to love and that the ego is a fragmentary thing. It can even show you about the body.
I don't agree with anyone (who might state it) however that they are a part of the path. I think they are not a part of the path and are to be discarded and blotted out and smudgened... abolished eradicated anhilated etc. etc. etc.
I think you should just stop doing them and move on without especially condemning them as ignorant until you see the idiocy yourself (I'm still working on it myself).

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Postby bodom » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:24 pm

Buddhism, the 12 Steps, & the 12 Traditions
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Buddhist Recovery Network
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12 steps for buddhists
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One Breath at a Time: Buddhism and the Twelve Steps
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12 Steps on Buddha's Path: Bill, Buddha, and We
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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Buddhism and Psychedelics

Postby Viscid » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:37 pm

"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Buddhism and Psychedelics

Postby bodom » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:48 pm

Does anyone have a link to that one sutta where the Buddha discourses on the benefits of Psychedelics to the attainment of Nibbana? Im having trouble trying to find it. :tongue:

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/


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