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Chanting

Postby clw_uk » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:15 pm

Does one have to chant in pali, can you chant in english?

Reason I ask is that I understand the chants more when I say them in english than in pali.
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Re: Chanting

Postby appicchato » Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:14 am

Hi clw,

Not a problem at all...no, and yes... :smile:
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Re: Chanting

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:14 am

clw_uk wrote:Does one have to chant in pali, can you chant in english?

Reason I ask is that I understand the chants more when I say them in english than in pali.


You can chant in English, and many do.
their is a chanting guide in english from the forest sangha I'll have a brouse around for it and post it when I find it.
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Re: Chanting

Postby pink_trike » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:24 am

Understanding is the key, not verbal rotation.
Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

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Re: Chanting

Postby David N. Snyder » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:48 pm

The Buddha did not believe in the notion of an ‘original,’ ‘pure’ or ‘sacred’ language as is clear from his exhortation that we could and should learn the Dhamma ‘each in your own language’ (Vin.II,139). He also stated that when teaching the Dhamma he would always adopt the language of his audience in order to be able to better communicate with them (D.II,109).
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Re: Chanting

Postby clw_uk » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:50 pm

Thank you for you replies :smile:


The Buddha did not believe in the notion of an ‘original,’ ‘pure’ or ‘sacred’ language as is clear from his exhortation that we could and should learn the Dhamma ‘each in your own language’ (Vin.II,139). He also stated that when teaching the Dhamma he would always adopt the language of his audience in order to be able to better communicate with them (D.II,109).



Thank you for this, this was in line with how i felt about chanting in english to its uplifting to know that the buddha thought the same way, from now on i will chant in english :smile:

One last question though, when in a temple would it be frowned upon so to speak if i chanted in english then or wouldnt it matter?

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Re: Chanting

Postby David N. Snyder » Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:43 pm

clw_uk wrote:One last question though, when in a temple would it be frowned upon so to speak if i chanted in english then or wouldnt it matter?

That depends, I suppose. If you are chanting by yourself, English should be okay; but if you are chanting with a group and they are all doing it in Pali, then you probably don't want to make a spectacle by being the odd-one-out.
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Re: Chanting

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:29 am

eventually found the chanting book I remembered above
http://www.forestsangha.org/Books/Chanting.pdf

it has indicators for tone in both english and pali chanting
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Re: Chanting

Postby clw_uk » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:36 am

Thank you for that Manapa thats just what ive been looking for :thumbsup:

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Re: Chanting

Postby mikenz66 » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:56 am

As others have indicated, chanting in English is fine. If you want to do chanting in English or Pali/English combinations you might listen to some of the chants at Abhayagiri http://www.abhayagiri.org/index.php/mai ... wnload/C20 which are rendered in sort of English Church Chanting style.

However, I see some advantages in practising chants in Pali (while following English translation):
1. You learn some of the Pali terms and how to pronounce them.
2. You can chant with non-English speakers. Doesn't matter if they are Thai or Chinese or whatever.
3. Sometimes the available English translations sound a little silly, which can be distracting.
4. Some chants sound incredibly inspiring in Pali because they have been composed to make use of the rhythm of the particular words.

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Re: Chanting

Postby clw_uk » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:58 am

Thanks for the link and the advice mike :smile:

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