Buddha is fake

[PeterB]

I did not comment on Fabianfred's tale. I was offering an explanation for the reactions of those who did.

[bodom]

I did not comment on Fabianfred's tale. I was offering an explanation for the reactions of those who did.

I wasn't singling you out Peter. I was offering a "solution" to those who are reacting over a simple story.

[MJH]

Just so people know, I believe that fabianfred has ordained.

I want to ordain..but....debt

Just something to keep in mind when and how we address him.

[bodom]

Just so people know, I believe that fabianfred has ordained.

I want to ordain..but....debt

Just something to keep in mind when and how we address him.

Thank you for pointing that out MJH.

[jcsuperstar]

i like folksy stories... Thai forest ajahns are full of them, but maybe some readers consider themselves a superior to rural Thai folk, shame, all that self making.

[Sobeh]

superior to rural Thai folk

The critique is against a method of reasoning, not against a group of people. Your statement is a very disingenuous rendering of the claim.

[alan]

Whether or not he has ordained doesn't matter much. The story is boring and pointless.

[Mawkish1983]

The Buddha told plenty of stories with really good Dhammic messages, like the mustard seed. I just don't see the point for a story such as this: not from the cannon, not teaching wholesomeness, adhammic.

I just don't get it and I still don't understand what 'Buddha is fake' even means.

I guess I'm not the target audience.

[MJH]

Whether or not he has ordained doesn't matter much. The story is boring and pointless.

Well..... maybe it is, maybe it isn't. That is up to each individual. However, it is important that we respond to monks with respect. And just for the record, I am not singling anyone out. I just wanted it to be known. It seemed that people were getting upset and I didn't want anyone to respond in a manner that they would regret later.

[jcsuperstar]

we should probably just treat everyone here with respect,

[BubbaBuddhist]

Don't feel too bad--humor or metaphorical allegories don't sit well with this literal -minded bunch. I once posted a humorous anecdote about seeing a guy dressed as Jesus walking down the side of the road at 3 AM and the thread immediately devolved into microanalyses of religious points of view. I've just about given up on this forum. It seems to have attracted the anhedoniacs of the Buddhist world. Which is too bad, I've found the longer I've practiced the more I've learned to as they say, lighten up. May all sentient beings find something to laugh about once in a while.

J

[Mawkish1983]

I was taught from an early age to question what I don't understand. I don't understand this story, so I questioned it. I meant no disrespect and apologise if the way in which my posts are read does not match my intention.

So back to the story, what does 'Buddha is fake' mean? Does it mean that Nibbana is unobtainable and, if so, how does anecdotal evidence of reincarnation suggest that Nibbana is obtainable?

Respectfully, I just don't get it.

[pilgrim]

So much heat over a little folk tale. Is this Defilement season or what?

[Mawkish1983]

No heat, I just don't get it and am eagerly awaiting clarification

[mikenz66]

Hi J,

It seems to have attracted the anhedoniacs of the Buddhist world. Which is too bad, I've found the longer I've practiced the more I've learned to as they say, lighten up. May all sentient beings find something to laugh about once in a while.

Thanks for extending my vocabulary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anhedonia


Mike

[sid]

I was taught from an early age to question what I don't understand. I don't understand this story, so I questioned it. I meant no disrespect and apologise if the way in which my posts are read does not match my intention.

So back to the story, what does 'Buddha is fake' mean? Does it mean that Nibbana is unobtainable and, if so, how does anecdotal evidence of reincarnation suggest that Nibbana is obtainable?

Respectfully, I just don't get it.

All that the young monk could see was his elder's suffering, in spite of his wholesome actions, which he performed for the whole of his life.
So in his view the wholesome actions didn't lead to wholesome results.
This directly means(to him) that the law of karma as told by the Buddha doesn't hold good.
It then implies that the noble 8th fold path, which is based on purifying one's conduct by doing wholesome actions, which would then lead to gradual lessening of suffering uptill nibbana doesn't hold good too.
Since now the path doesn't lead to nibbanna (to him), therefore the person who first prescribed it can't have the attributes of a Buddha.
So whoever first declared the path was a "fake Buddha", ie Buddha only in the name, not in conduct & attributes.

I hope this answers your question.

In the "read" is only the "read"..thus should you train yourselves Dhammawheel members. When for you there will be only the "read" in the "read" then, Dhammawheel members, there is no you in terms of that. When there is no you in terms of that, there is no you there. When there is no you there, you are neither here nor yonder nor between the two. This, just this, is the end of stress."

You nailed it bodom.

[BubbaBuddhist]

Hi J,

It seems to have attracted the anhedoniacs of the Buddhist world. Which is too bad, I've found the longer I've practiced the more I've learned to as they say, lighten up. May all sentient beings find something to laugh about once in a while.

Thanks for extending my vocabulary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anhedonia


Mike

Enhancing one's lexicographic prowess is an expeditious route to eschewing obfuscation!

J
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[Vepacitta]

Lighten up folks - it's a charming little fairy tale.

That's all. No big dhamma debate to be had here - go round the back and see what's happening!

And I'm called an Asura!

[Hanzze]

Thanks for sharing!

[Sherab]

The story strikes some chord with me as I was (and still am) in a rough patch for many years now. It tells me to take heart and that eventually the good karma that I have created in this life will manifest, though not likely in this life but in a future life.