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Postby clw_uk » Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:24 am

The buddha said that one cannot eat meat if

You have seen it being killed

Heard it being killed

It has been killed for you

I cant remember if this was just for monks or for lay as well though.
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Postby Individual » Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:29 am

Also, in case it's not already ridiculously and abundantly obviously clear: A lobster's faculties would not be the same as a human's faculties. They would have lobster senses including lobster mind, which does not necessarily have vedana. They might be able to see, to feel heat, pressure, texture, etc., but not necessarily the sensation of "pain" from "too much" heat, pressure, being stabbed, etc..

Some studies say lobsters feel pain:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=16349115

According to this site, most research suggests lobsters (along with most invertebrates, including insects) do not feel pain:
http://ask.yahoo.com/20070516.html
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Postby retrofuturist » Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:44 am

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Postby jcsuperstar » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:24 am

a lobster is a bug....

i never understood all the save lobsters talk yet the same people arent out to save the roaches

i bet far more of them are being killed...

and not even for food.
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But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Postby Annapurna » Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:18 am

ABC has this interesting article: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009 ... ion=justin


A Japanese restaurant in New York has taken pity on a 140-year-old lobster, announcing that it would not end its days boiled in a pot but instead swim free in the Atlantic Ocean.

Craig has been exhibited to customers in an aquarium but its owners at Halu Japanese Restaurant and Grill in Brooklyn announced they would have the ancient 20-pound crustacean shipped to Maine, where it is to be released into the sea this weekend.

Local law there forbids taking lobsters above a certain size.

"Kudos to Halu for allowing Craig to live out the rest of his days in his native habitat," Ingrid Newkirk, president of the animals rights group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), said in a statement.

PETA has organised a campaign to liberate restaurant lobsters and stop them from being thrown alive in a pot of boiling water.

According to invertebrate zoologist Jaren Horsley, lobsters have a "sophisticated nervous system" and feel "a great deal of pain" when cut or cooked alive.


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