The Four Sights of Siddhartha

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The Four Sights of Siddhartha

Postby pilgrim » Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:50 am

Can someone point out to me which literature describes the experience of Siddhartha where he sees the famous 4 sights which led to his renunciation? I understand it is not in the suttas but is it considered canonical?

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Re: The Four Sights of Siddhartha

Postby jcsuperstar » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:21 am

i cant remember the sutta but the story is there only it's not Siddhartha who sees the sights as described its a previous Buddha. i guess the thinking is all Buddhas become enlightened in the same manner or something.
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Re: The Four Sights of Siddhartha

Postby Virgo » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:26 am

Nevermind
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Re: The Four Sights of Siddhartha

Postby pilgrim » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:39 am

jcsuperstar wrote:i cant remember the sutta but the story is there only it's not Siddhartha who sees the sights as described its a previous Buddha. i guess the thinking is all Buddhas become enlightened in the same manner or something.

There is a sutta where the Gautama Buddha mentions that one of the past Buddhas saw the 4 sights as a bodhisattva. But there is a Commentary ( I think) which then says all the bodhisattvas of the past see the 4 sights before their renunciation. And this has formed the basis of the story of Siddhartha also seeing the 4 sights and sneaking off in the night ( although the Maha-Saccaka Sutta gives a different record of his renunciation, where his parents wept at his departure). I'm trying to determine which book this is.

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Re: The Four Sights of Siddhartha

Postby Paul Davy » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:51 am

Greetings Pilgrim,

I remembering hearing what you said above about the four sights in Bhikkhu Nanamoli's "Life of the Buddha". Perhaps that text might provide some clues as to the relevant source material.

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He is released from bondage to the root of all maladies,
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Re: The Four Sights of Siddhartha

Postby bodom » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:25 pm

It is in the Mahapadana Suttanta DN 14 and it was the Buddha Vipassi who sees the sights.

Heres T. W. Rhys Davids translation:
http://www.buddhistlibraryonline.net/en ... adana.html

:anjali:
“What should be done for his disciples out of compassion by a teacher who seeks their welfare and has compassion for them, that I have done for you, bhikkhus. There are these roots of trees, these empty huts. Meditate, bhikkhus, do not delay or else you will regret it later. This is our instruction to you.” - MN 19


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