Emptiness (suññatā) in the Pāḷi dhamma

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Re: Emptiness (suññatā) in the Pāḷi dhamma

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Ñāṇa wrote:
PeterB wrote:Or even better perhaps SDC , condescend to partake in the original thread instead of engaging in Bernsian gameplay.
You feel insulted Peter?
Conflict seem's to follow peter around the forum. If its not with you its with alex or anna.

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Liberation is the inevitable fruit of the path and is bound to blossom forth when there is steady and persistent practice. The only requirements for reaching the final goal are two: to start and to continue. If these requirements are met there is no doubt the goal will be attained. This is the Dhamma, the undeviating law.

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bodom wrote:Conflict seem's to follow peter around the forum. If its not with you its with alex or anna.
Ah. Nevertheless I'm interested to hear what strategy Peter feels I was trying to employ?
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bodom wrote:
Ñāṇa wrote:
PeterB wrote:Or even better perhaps SDC , condescend to partake in the original thread instead of engaging in Bernsian gameplay.
You feel insulted Peter?
Conflict seem's to follow peter around the forum. If its not with you its with alex or anna.

:anjali:
I did not start this thread Bodom. neither have I initiated any conversations with Alex123, just responded to his. And I dont start threads by taking posts out of their context.
But perhaps you are right....perhaps the forum would be a more peaceful place without me.
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PeterB wrote:But perhaps you are right....perhaps the forum would be a more peaceful place without me.
Not what im saying in the least bit peter.

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Liberation is the inevitable fruit of the path and is bound to blossom forth when there is steady and persistent practice. The only requirements for reaching the final goal are two: to start and to continue. If these requirements are met there is no doubt the goal will be attained. This is the Dhamma, the undeviating law.

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Its what I am saying Bodom.

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PeterB wrote:I dont start threads by taking posts out of their context.
You're no shrinking violet Peter. And your quote wasn't taken out of context. I didn't give any context for your quote at all. And seeing that that has caused some confusion, I apologize.

Now, to be clear: This thread is about discussing suññatā according to the teachings of the Pāḷi dhamma. It's not about Peter or Geoff or Eric Berne or Ven. Thích Nhất Hạnh.

All the best,

Geoff

Edit: I've edited the OP to better give accurate context to this thread.
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:toilet:

thread quickly turn to fights when we involve each other and not just ideas. lets hope this one can be saved as it is an interesting topic.
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There is much learning in conflict. And no one gets hurt here.
Therein what are 'six (types of) disrespect'? One dwells without respect, without deference for the Teacher; one dwells without respect, without deference for the Teaching; one dwells without respect, without deference for the Order; one dwells without respect, without deference for the precepts; one dwells without respect, without deference for heedfulness; one dwells without respect, without deference for hospitality. These are six (types of) disrespect.
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JeffR wrote:There is much learning in conflict. And no one gets hurt here.
really? history doesn't point to any thing ever being learned from conflict.... just more conflict. and the argument postshere just lead to longer and longer argument posts. also are you sure people never get hurt? or is it you just don't care about their feelings?
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Having had occasion several times recently to reflect on the matter I have reached the conclusion that my style is not appropriate for the house style of the forum, The result is that it simply causes problems and dissonance. I accept full responsibility for this, it is in no way a refelection on the forum or its stimulating members or excellent mods. However I have become an unwitting cause of dissonance.
So, with real gratitude and heaps of metta to all I will take my leave.
This is not an appeal for sympathy or an invitation to change my mind. Really. :smile:

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PeterB wrote:Having had occasion several times recently to reflect on the matter I have reached the conclusion that my style is not appropriate for the house style of the forum, The result is that it simply causes problems and dissonance. I accept full responsibility for this, it is in no way a refelection on the forum or its stimulating members or excellent mods. However I have become an unwitting cause of dissonance.
So, with real gratitude and heaps of metta to all I will take my leave.
This is not an appeal for sympathy or an invitation to change my mind. Really.
Hi Peter,

I've always considered your style to be appropriate. And I've always appreciated your contributions to discussions.

IMO (and I'm sure you're aware of this too) this type of internet forum conversation -- where bits of each participants contribution are frozen in time, and there is no possibility of fully ascertaining the tone or the body language or the general disposition, etc., of the other participants comments in real time and in person -- imposes some limitations on accurate interpretation and understanding which would not be present in person to person conversation. Thus, for myself it seems important to generally give other posters the benefit of assuming that they are not trying to cause dissonance; and informed disagreement is always an opportunity for me to learn and to try to improve my own communication skills. On that note, this thread has demonstrated my lack of accurately considering your perspective when I carelessly added your post to the OP without clarification of why your post stimulated me to create this thread in the first place.

Anyway, I wish you'd continue here, as Dhamma Wheel is richer with you than without you. But as you feel that it's time to take leave, I respect that too. It's my hope that you'll at least keep open the possibility of returning at some point.

:anjali:

All the best,

Geoff
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PeterB wrote:Having had occasion several times recently to reflect on the matter I have reached the conclusion that my style is not appropriate for the house style of the forum, The result is that it simply causes problems and dissonance. I accept full responsibility for this, it is in no way a refelection on the forum or its stimulating members or excellent mods. However I have become an unwitting cause of dissonance.
So, with real gratitude and heaps of metta to all I will take my leave.
This is not an appeal for sympathy or an invitation to change my mind. Really. :smile:

:anjali:

Peter.
Darn. Sorry to hear it. You are one of the few here whos posts i almost always find interesting. Imo the forum will be poorer without your voice.

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Well - this could have been a good thread. I mentioned in the TNH post that the Pali canon does mention sunnyata - in the MN - the Maha Sunnata Sutta. It's also discussed I believe in the Samyutta Nikaya.

Someone else here took up the idea and made a separate thread - what's the big deal? Statements announcing that Theravadin teachings don't discuss sunnyata aren't accurate - and should be addressed.

Some people don't want to hear things that they don't want to hear - and get bent out of shape. And things devolve into nasty arguments on this forum.

We could't even get a good discussion going about 'fear of death' which could be a VERY interesting subject - it devolved into a "you don't know dhamma thread".

Let's face - none of us here really know the Dhamma - but we're seeking it - practising it - or trying to.

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Vepacitta wrote:Someone else here took up the idea and made a separate thread - what's the big deal? Statements announcing that Theravadin teachings don't discuss sunnyata aren't accurate - and should be addressed.
When someone starts a new thread with a quote from another discussion, I think it would be helpful to the rest of us, and fair to the person who was quoted, if they could provide a link to the thread where it is from. That was not done, so I said something. I've seen that several times on dhammawheel, and I don't think its good practice. Do you disagree?

Otherwise I see no problem in doing so...we should all be responsible for what we say here.
Vepacitta wrote:Some people don't want to hear things that they don't want to hear - and get bent out of shape. And things devolve into nasty arguments on this forum.

We could't even get a good discussion going about 'fear of death' which could be a VERY interesting subject - it devolved into a "you don't know dhamma thread".

Let's face - none of us here really know the Dhamma - but we're seeking it - practising it - or trying to.

V.
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since this thread has gone on to have nothing to do with the original post, I'm wondering if it would just be better for the OP to start a better worded post on the subject and let this one die.
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