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Looking for a sutta

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:39 am

Hi all,

This is so vague, so I apologize in advance for that.

Isn't there a rather short list of things that happen in the world, like natural disasters, etc. The list I'm thinking of explains what kinds of things are attributed to kamma and what kinds of events aren't attributed to kamma.

Any input is appreciated very much!

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Re: Looking for a sutta

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:12 pm

Hi Drolma
I have heard of such a text, but never seen it, I have ended up assuming that it is a Vajrayana Sutra as it was a Tibetan monk who talked about it with me. don't know or think that will help much if at all but good luck and if you find it let us know where it is!
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Drolma wrote:Hi all,

This is so vague, so I apologize in advance for that.

Isn't there a rather short list of things that happen in the world, like natural disasters, etc. The list I'm thinking of explains what kinds of things are attributed to kamma and what kinds of events aren't attributed to kamma.

Any input is appreciated very much!

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Re: Looking for a sutta

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:42 pm

Perhaps you're thinking of the Sivaka Sutta

"There are, revered Gotama, some ascetics and brahmans who have this doctrine and view: 'Whatever a person experiences, be it pleasure, pain or neither-pain-nor-pleasure, all that is caused by previous action.' Now, what does the revered Gotama say about this?"

"Produced by (disorders of the) bile, there arise, Sivaka, certain kinds of feelings. That this happens, can be known by oneself; also in the world it is accepted as true. Produced by (disorders of the) phlegm... of wind... of (the three) combined... by change of climate... by adverse behavior... by injuries... by the results of Kamma — (through all that), Sivaka, there arise certain kinds of feelings. That this happens can be known by oneself; also in the world it is accepted as true.

"Now when these ascetics and brahmans have such a doctrine and view that 'whatever a person experiences, be it pleasure, pain or neither-pain-nor-pleasure, all that is caused by previous action,' then they go beyond what they know by themselves and what is accepted as true by the world. Therefore, I say that this is wrong on the part of these ascetics and brahmans."
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Re: Looking for a sutta

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:51 pm

There is also a list called the Niyama Dipani, "The Cosmic Order," which goes as follows:

1. utu-niyama: the caloric order
2. bija-niyama: the germinal order
3. kamma-niyama: the moral order (kamma)
4. citta-niyama: the psychical order
5. dhamma-niyama: natural phenomenal sequence.

I don't know of a particular sutta that discusses this though, but more can be found here: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/buddhism/ledinyma.htm#5foldniyama

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Re: Looking for a sutta

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:33 pm

Thank you everyone! I found what I was looking for :smile:


1. Utuniyama: the natural law pertaining to physical objects and changes in the natural environment, such as the weather; the way flowers bloom in the day and fold up at night; the way soil, water and nutrients help a tree to grow; and the way things disintegrate and decompose. This perspective emphasizes the changes brought about by heat or temperature.

2. Bijaniyama: the natural law pertaining to heredity, which is best described in the adage, "as the seed, so the fruit."

3. Cittaniyama: the natural law pertaining to the workings of the mind, the process of cognition of sense objects and the mental reactions to them.

4. Kammaniyama: the natural law pertaining to human behavior, the process of the generation of action and its results. In essence, this is summarized in the words, "good deeds bring good results, bad deeds bring bad results."

5. Dhammaniyama: the natural law governing the relationship and interdependence of all things: the way all things arise, exist and then cease. All conditions are subject to change, are in a state of affliction and are not self: this is the Norm.
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