Once again this is going to be a quick response to the ones that need shorter answers
clw_uk wrote:
The aggregates expire, as in they break down and cease to function and so exsist
So something that now exists will be annihilated?
The aggregates arent an illusion, the view of self in relation to them in an illusion (as is any self view)
If any rupa in the future arises its new, when the rupa here ceases it wont rise again, so it ceases to exsist
When eye consciousness falls, it ceases to exsist, until another form comes into contact with the eye and a new eye consciousness is "born"
When the conditions supporting something fall, that object or aspect thats being supported also falls and ceases
Annihilation is holding the aggregates as self and stating that when they expire, "I" also expire. In reality there is no "I" to expire only the aggregates
When an arahant sees the break-up of the aggregates he sees them as ending and so ceasing to exists, does this make the arahant an annihilationist?
Maybe your picking up on the word exisist as me refering to a self, which i am not im using it for the aggregates only.
Of course he is, you can claim not to belive in self till the cows come home but the fact is you think that somehow life springs forth from a material process - which is self view to the nth degree.
Buddhists with strongly held self view are either eternalists like Thannisaro or anihiliationists like yourself. It is of course normal that people hold worng views but not good when you try to equate these views to what the Buddha taught.
When have i stated that without question life springs forth from a completely material process? The points i have put forward are valid points to be discussed, simply holding rebirth straight away without question is not in line with the buddhas spirit of inquiry
I have stated that i dont hold the aggregates to be self, and that any view or sense of self is an illusion. Of course i havent got rid of self view completely otherwise i would be a stream-winner, this will only be done by complete insight, all i have at the moment is right view in reguards to the aggregats just without true, deep insight
Just to state again, an annihilationist is some one who sees self with the aggregates in some way and sees the ending of aggregates as death of self