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by GrahamR » Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:53 pm
Peter wrote:So?
I would suggest a drug mule or gun runner has about as valid a defence in that they are just moving something from A to B
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by David N. Snyder » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:44 pm
GrahamR wrote:I would suggest a drug mule or gun runner has about as valid a defence in that they are just moving something from A to B
Perhaps a good point. But a waiter is taking orders and does not usually recommend items to be ordered. A customer at a restaurant has a choice to not choose meat items, a choice not to choose alcohol. Even restaurants with a full bar always have soft drinks, water, tea, and coffee that can be ordered. It is up to the customer to choose what to order, not the waiter.
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by clw_uk » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:59 pm
Perhaps a good point. But a waiter is taking orders and does not usually recommend items to be ordered. A customer at a restaurant has a choice to not choose meat items, a choice not to choose alcohol. Even restaurants with a full bar always have soft drinks, water, tea, and coffee that can be ordered. It is up to the customer to choose what to order, not the waiter.
True, but dealing in arms is wrong livelihood and its still the customers choice to buy the weapons, you help provide it
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by David N. Snyder » Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:27 pm
clw_uk wrote:True, but dealing in arms is wrong livelihood and its still the customers choice to buy the weapons, you help provide it
Yes, but an arms dealers is
only providing arms, a liquor store is
only providing alcohol, a gun runner is
only providing weapons. But a waiter is an employee offering all kinds of choices, some wholesome, some not so much.
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by Peter » Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:18 pm
GrahamR wrote:Peter wrote:So?
I would suggest a drug mule or gun runner has about as valid a defence in that they are just moving something from A to B
So?
True, but dealing in arms is wrong livelihood
Is the gun-runner in your question dealing or is he merely transporting?
Does a waiter buy the food from the kitchen and then sell it to the diners at the table?
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by GrahamR » Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:35 pm
Does a waiter buy the food from the kitchen and then sell it to the diners at the table?
To me a gun runner transports the weapons, it's a trader or dealer who buys and sells them. Likewise a drugs mule simply transports them. It's maybe just semantics we disagree about.
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