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Do you want a coffin with that?

Postby Ben » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:43 am

I thought the following article and linked youtube video will provoke some discussion regarding fastfood:

McDonald's outrage at health ad

In a television advert that could kill your appetite, an overweight, middle-aged man is seen lying dead in a morgue holding a half-eaten hamburger as a woman weeps over the linen-clad body.

McDonald's ubiquitous golden arches then trace the dead man's feet with the text "I was lovin' it", a stinging pun on the fast-food chain's long-running slogan "I'm lovin' it".

A voiceover says, "high cholesterol, high blood pressure, heart attacks. Tonight, make it vegetarian".

the rest is here: http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/well ... utostart=1

So, do you feel like a burger?
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Re: Do you want a coffin with that?

Postby alan » Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:05 am

Health problems are not just because of meat. The buns are white flour. The soda is full of high fructose corn syrup. The fries may be vegetarian, but they are deadly.
Having said that, if McDonalds is against it, then I'm for it.

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Postby Ben » Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:22 am

Hi alan
I'm not sure that the fries are vegetarian. Some years ago when McDonalds' was introduced to India, there were widespread protests when it was discovered that the fries were cooked in oil containing beef tallow which gives the McD's fries their distinctive taste.
However you look at it, McDonald's food, "healthy choice" options included, are not a healthy choice. I think its about time that McDonald's insipid marketing message which is to normalise the consumption of junk food, was directly challenged by governments and public interest groups.
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Postby alan » Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:30 am

Agreed, Ben.
I've heard that because of the outcry, McD is now cooking their fries in veg. oil, at least in some locations.
Either way, I'm sure we agree that fast food is not just a health problem, but also a social problem.

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Postby Monkey Mind » Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:03 am

There's a popular urban myth here in the US that McDs imports kangaroo meat for their burgers when there is a beef shortage.
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Postby Ben » Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:31 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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Postby bodom » Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:15 am

My girlfriend likes eating at Mcdonalds once in awhile. Will I make a big deal about it and refuse to eat? No. I like a double bacon cheeseburger w/ fries and a shake as much as the next guy. Having said that, my cholesterol is fine and I am not overweight.

You know why?

Moderation.

McDonalds is not killing anybody. People with food related obesity and cholesterol are killing themselves by their own own hand.

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Postby Ben » Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:32 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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Postby Paññāsikhara » Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:06 pm

Ignorance kills.

Certain companies like to promote it.
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Re: Do you want a coffin with that?

Postby alan » Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:49 am

Moderation--we all love it. Who is willing to decry a sensible, moderate policy when it comes to diet?
I am.
Show me any world in which the garbage sold at those chain food joints qualifies as food, and I'll agree that it is Ok to eat it.

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Re: Do you want a coffin with that?

Postby plwk » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:16 am

They shld have added KFC...

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Postby Paññāsikhara » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:20 am

This reminds me of a funny story.

Way back in the early 90s (adopt grandpa voice for this story) we had a project to do in the standard Engineering School maths class. We were given a McDonald's menu, which included prices and nutritional information, and had to work out the most cost effective way of getting a standard dietary intake through the items on the menu.

Tricky.

However, my friends and I, being rather clever and all ( :tongue: ) didn't even need to set up the various equations (and possibly even computer model) to work it out, the answer was as ingenious as it was simple:

The most cost effective way to eat from a McDonald's menu, was to eat only the tomato ketchup ... because it is free! :jumping:

Needless to say, from my undergraduate days until now, I can recall no more than about 2 or 3 times I've eaten McDonalds, always only when taken there by someone else. That stuff barely qualifies as food (except, um... the ketchup, of course!) I remember a few friends of the anarchist / punk / militant vegan variety who used to protest outside the big McDs on Queens Street, in the heart of Auckland.

ah, those were the days!
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Postby shjohnk » Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:53 am

Ben: I'm gathering that you're an Aussie of similar vintage to me, so I guess you'd remember too the anti-smoking campaigns they used to put on TV, like the sponge soaking up all the dirty, greasy water, or more comically, the 'Bag the Fag(means cigarettes in Australia/NZ/UK etc.!)' campaign: It was very visually impacting but it didn't stop many people smoking that I knew - They just figured 'won't happen to me'. Same with the 'Grim Reaper' HIV/AIDS ads, didn't eliminate unsafe sex. People (including me:)) know that their unskilful habits are harming them, probably going to kill them but they prefer to remain blissfully ignorant. Hence, we practice! :)

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Re: Do you want a coffin with that?

Postby Ben » Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:01 am

Hey John
Mate, I think you would be surpised as to how effective those campaigns really are/were. And for a lot of people that are addicted, those ads become a constant nag, that and other social pressures, it builds up. Most people I have known who were addicted, myself included, hated smoking and were looking for the courage or support to give up - even if it was never admitted.
How long has it been since you've been home John? Have you been back after a law was passed that turns quarter of a cigarette packet into a health warning?
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And that's just one of them.

That grim reaper ad was a classic.



A few years later when I was doing marketing as part of my degree, it was cited as the most successful television campaign for a public health message (in Australia).
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