Not Everything Is Written In Stone. . .

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Re: Not Everything Is Written In Stone. . .

Postby IanAnd » Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:58 pm

"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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Postby IanAnd » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:24 am

"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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Re: Not Everything Is Written In Stone. . .

Postby Ben » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:22 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Not Everything Is Written In Stone. . .

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Re: Not Everything Is Written In Stone. . .

Postby IanAnd » Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:43 pm

"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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Postby IanAnd » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:44 pm

"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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Re: Not Everything Is Written In Stone. . .

Postby IanAnd » Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:55 pm

"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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Re: Not Everything Is Written In Stone. . .

Postby IanAnd » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:59 pm

"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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Re: Not Everything Is Written In Stone. . .

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Re: Not Everything Is Written In Stone. . .

Postby Modus.Ponens » Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:39 am

Tilt,

Can't you conceive that Ian is doing this in order to benefict other people? People at websangha talked about their experiences openly and you weren't hostile. What is different now from then?
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Not Everything Is Written In Stone. . .

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Re: Not Everything Is Written In Stone. . .

Postby Hoo » Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:21 pm

Edit - I found the Sutta reference I wanted, on effacement. Part way down the page is the Effacement section. There are 44 instructions from the Buddha. I try to remember when reading it, the instructions are for me - not the other persons. Someday maybe I'll get good at it :)



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Re: Not Everything Is Written In Stone. . .

Postby Modus.Ponens » Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:26 pm

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Not Everything Is Written In Stone. . .

Postby Hoo » Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:39 pm

How about we cut Tilt some slack? Maybe it's a bad day. Maybe he got hooked on a subject - happens to me all the time, so maybe it happens to him. I'm glad he has been able to contain it as much as he has. I remember some discussions over a year ago where everyone was slashing each other. This discussion has not gone there.

Discussion about the style of discussion isn't meta-discussion until it goes bad. The style can certainly distract from points under consideration. But sometimes that is the issue of the moment, that the style has left the track, so to speak, and advancement of discussin of the points is getting difficult. If it is to advance discussion of the points, it is issue. If it is to distract from the points, it can be meta-discussion, ill-will, false argument, etc.

At that point it up to the players to surface the style issues and their impact. Looks like that has happened. Hopefully they can get it back on track.

I'd like to see what more is said on Ian's thread. Discussion style issues have been aired, players may or may not modify their style, etc. The issues appear to be legitimate ones, not falsehoods designed to derail the discussions.

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Re: Not Everything Is Written In Stone. . .

Postby Ben » Sun Sep 26, 2010 8:07 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Not Everything Is Written In Stone. . .

Postby IanAnd » Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:05 pm

"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV


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