Displaying ordination date for monks

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Displaying ordination date for monks

Postby yuttadhammo » Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:32 pm

Just a suggestion to all the bhikkhus and bhikkhunis out there, that we put our ordination dates in our signature. That would make it easier for everyone to know how to address our fellow monastics (for those of you who don't know, senior monks are to be addressed as "Bhante" and junior monks as "avuso" or by their first name, according to the Buddha's last words (cp. D. 16 tathāgatapacchimavācā)).

An example is in my signature
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Re: Displaying ordination date for monks

Postby Ytrog » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:07 pm

So, according to your signature it would be Avaso this year and Bhante next year?
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Re: Displaying ordination date for monks

Postby appicchato » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:08 am

Ytrog wrote:So, according to your signature it would be Avaso this year and Bhante next year?

Not really…it's more to do with how monastics address themselves, nothing to do with lay people…as a side note, to be polite/respectful (if that is one's intention), 'Venerable' pretty much covers all the bases, for everyone, lay and monastic…this is my interpretation and, given human nature, not to be agreed with by all...
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Re: Displaying ordination date for monks

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:31 am

Greetings Venerable Yuttadhammo,

Ordained members are certainly welcome to follow your lead should they choose to do so, and thank you for your suggestion. It's a nice touch that which will help our members with appropriate forms of address.

It's worth mentioning though that we don't intend though to pursue the enforcement of any differing standards between the ordained and non-ordained, as this opens up a whole can of worms that frankly does not need to be opened.

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Re: Displaying ordination date for monks

Postby nyanasuci » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:29 am

appicchato wrote:…as a side note, to be polite/respectful (if that is one's intention), 'Venerable' pretty much covers all the bases, for everyone, lay and monastic…this is my interpretation and, given human nature, not to be agreed with by all...
:goodpost: That is more reasonable than giving dates of my upasampada.
Anyway we do not have many monks here, and - I think - I khow all of them who are part of this forum, and therefore I know their seniority. So, Bhante Yuttadhammo, I am junior to you.
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Re: Displaying ordination date for monks

Postby Ben » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:41 am

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Re: Displaying ordination date for monks

Postby yuttadhammo » Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:56 am

Sorry I missed the replies... didn't think anyone was interested in the topic :)

appicchato wrote:…as a side note, to be polite/respectful (if that is one's intention), 'Venerable' pretty much covers all the bases, for everyone, lay and monastic…this is my interpretation and, given human nature, not to be agreed with by all...[/i]


Indeed, the bhante/avuso is only a monastic thing, and I certainly wasn't suggesting it be made into some forum rule, but it was one of only four injunctions of the Buddha before his final passing away that we address each other according to seniority, not just calling each other "avuso" any more:

yathā kho panānanda, etarahi bhikkhū aññamaññaṃ āvusovādena samudācaranti, na kho mamaccayena evaṃ samudācaritabbaṃ. theratarena, ānanda, bhikkhunā navakataro bhikkhu nāmena vā gottena vā āvusovādena vā samudācaritabbo. navakatarena bhikkhunā therataro bhikkhu `bhante'ti vā `āyasmā'ti vā samudācaritabbo.

"And, Ananda, whereas now the bhikkhus address one another as 'friend,' let it not be so when I am gone. The senior bhikkhus, Ananda, may address the junior ones by their name, their family name, or as 'friend'; but the junior bhikkhus should address the senior ones as 'venerable sir' or 'your reverence.'

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... tml#fnt-55


Anyway, if it seems overly overt to put the date in our signatures, I'm happy to remove it, just thought it would make things go smoother for the monks here.
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Re: Displaying ordination date for monks

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:04 am

Greetings bhante,

yuttadhammo wrote:Anyway, if it seems overly overt to put the date in our signatures, I'm happy to remove it, just thought it would make things go smoother for the monks here.

As I said above, I think it's a nice touch... it's just that we won't be mandating that others follow suit.

:anjali:

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Re: Displaying ordination date for monks

Postby Individual » Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:17 am

retrofuturist wrote:As I said above, I think it's a nice touch...

I agree.
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