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Online Pali Canon?

Postby AlaskanDhamma » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:42 pm

Ok so I know the idea of an online Pali Canon would take forever, but I'm just curious about it.

What is the closest thing to having an online readable Pali Canon? Is there anything that even closely compares?

Thanks for you time.
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Re: Online Pali Canon?

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Re: Online Pali Canon?

Postby piotr » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:50 pm

Hi,

Here are many suttas that are not available on ATI (especially from Dīgha- and Majjhima-nikāya):

http://tipitaka.wikia.com
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Re: Online Pali Canon?

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:53 pm

http://metta.lk/tipitaka/

These translations are rough, but generally serviceable.

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Re: Online Pali Canon?

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:58 pm

The major sources appear to me to be:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/
http://mettanet.org/
Translations from the latter appear in other places as well. It is more comprehensive than Access to Insight, but the translations seem to be quite rough, as Tilt says.

The translations on Access to Insight tend to be quite selective. The majority are by Ajahn Thanissaro, whose translations seem OK, though I personally prefer the more conventional translations of the Pali terms, but that's just me...

Though it is nice to have this stuff on line, if I want to do some serious study I prefer the translations available from, in particular, Wisdom. http://www.wisdompubs.org/Pages/c_teachings.lasso

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Re: Online Pali Canon?

Postby AlaskanDhamma » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:03 pm

Oh, thank you very much everyone! I wasn't aware of some of these sites. I will do some due research now, thanks! :namaste:
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Re: Online Pali Canon?

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Re: Online Pali Canon?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:54 pm

Well, his avatar is apparently reading the Pali texts :reading:

BTW. I added a few chapters to the . It was surprisingly easy to join and start contributing. Let me know if I made any errors.
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Re: Online Pali Canon?

Postby pt1 » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:48 am

Currently, seems to be the only place online that also has a few books from the abhidhamma basket in English (dhammasangani, vibhanga and part of patthana). Even though these are only scans and the translations are quite old (1900-1906), it’s really great finally having access to source abhidhamma texts.

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Re: Online Pali Canon?

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Re: Online Pali Canon?

Postby nathan » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:22 pm

My dream Tipitika would be something like what has been done with the Old and New Testaments. This is a huge project and the TIpitaka is much larger but over time...

As I see it this would involve creating a similar system to that used for biblical concordances, dictionaries and interlinear texts. A wiki environment would be the ideal place for co-operative scholarship and now we have a wiki to begin to work with. Are there copyright or other issues that prevent including all the other work that has already been done into this wiki? The pali text is already data in various scripts. The development of a number reference for each term would be something I would think would require some expertise and perhaps some kind of formal agreements to execute, I'm not sure. Then factor in the existing dictionary info and so forth, the existing translation work, fill in the blanks that are left and we are on our way to something really accessible and navigable.

I have already been wondering why so much of this work is partly here and partly there and why all those who are investing energy in this work don't simply combine all of these efforts into one centralized meta-work. I suppose if economic or legal factors are involved it is one thing but if this is largely an academic enterprise or a labor of love then I don't know why most of those who are already busy about this kind of work haven't already got this kind of a cooperative effort underway. There is the PTS but the end product of that work fills a room with hard copy texts. Somewhere along the line all these texts are data of some kind and available somewhere. How could we encourage the online compilation of all of it?

With a wiki of the Tipitaka that is well constructed, the commentaries, old and new, and whatever other useful information can also be collected and linked in and this becomes more accessible as well. It seems like something amazing is possible and at the same time small but real and highly beneficial steps are also possible. Is there anything we can do to encourage such developments short of becoming pali scholars or academic experts of one kind or another ourselves? 'Cause, I'm warning ya, I'll do it if I have to! On the other hand I can cut and paste or type in the existing translations and so on if it is legal or permissible to do so.

The situation as it stands is actually awful, we have a huge amount of excellent information now (compared to even a decade ago) but we can spend days trying to find some particular detail in that mass of knowledge. (The longer we put off collating and organizing the knowledge the more chaos is created for those who hopefully will.) Strong's concordance alone triggered a massive increase in biblical scholarship by making terms and concepts searchable. My father is a PhD theologian and he told me that once the concordances and interlineal texts went digital it reduced his time searching through texts from hours to minutes. So huge efficiencies are achievable for both scholars and students. The Dhamma has many structures of its own which can be applied to the structure of the data as well. There should be a great many ways that we can approach ordering this knowledge so that every newbie does not have to spend all of their time asking the same questions over and over because there is no straightforward way to access the information. This can free up teachers and practitioners enormously from having to present questions and answers regarding many things again and again (as we can see happens continually in the context of forums), making space for many other kinds of teaching foci such as aspects of technique which really benefit from one on one instruction and guidance and other kinds of study and discussion which can contribute to enhanced and deepened understandings for all of us.

May the TIpitaka be well and happy. :smile:
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Re: Online Pali Canon?

Postby mikenz66 » Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:51 pm

Hi Nathan,

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I am amazed almost every day how I can do searches for articles in a few seconds that took me hours in the library back in the 70s and 80s.

What I find frustrating is that printed material of the Tipitika is not searchable. I have the translations large parts of the Nikayas on my bookshelf (I'm waiting impatiently for Bhikkhu Bodhi's complete Anguttara Nikaya...). I prefer those to the on-line versions because they are comprehensive, have good footnotes, and are good, consistent, translations.

However, if I want to locate a particular passage ("In which Sutta did the Buddha mention XXX?") I often wind up using Google to search on-line, then I can easily locate it in the printed volume. The indexes and concordances in the books simply don't compare to electronic search...

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Re: Online Pali Canon?

Postby nathan » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:53 pm

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Online Pali Canon?

Postby David N. Snyder » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:58 am

Hi Nathan,

Is that wiki Tipitaka site your website? If so, then I wish you success and good luck. I definitely want it to succeed, for the good of the Dhamma, good in the beginning, good in the middle, good in the end.

Hopefully, you won't get some bot spammers putting up some garbage like I had at my site. Now my site still receives requests for articles, they just have to go through me (and some monks who also edit) first before it goes online.
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Re: Online Pali Canon?

Postby nathan » Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:16 am

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}


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