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Body v. Mind

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Body v. Mind

Postby Spiny O'Norman » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:10 am

Looking at vipassana practice in the context of the four frames of reference, my approach to vipassana tends to focus on mind and mind-objects - but I get the impression that many people focus on body and sensations?

I'd be interested in your thoughts.

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Re: Body v. Mind

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:17 am

Greetings Spiny,

My thoughts are that they all fall under the banner of satipatthana, so one approach is neither right nor wrong.

That said, we had an interesting discussion about the sequencing of satipatthana steps and whether there was any logical or sequential aspect to the way they're sequenced in the Satipatthana Sutta but I can't see to find it at the moment.

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Re: Body v. Mind

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:19 am

Bodily sensations are the starting point for many who practice Vipassana. But all of the kandhas arise together in accordance with kamma vipaka and are not separate.
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Body v. Mind

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Re: Body v. Mind

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:44 am

Well there you go. It seems to me that bodily sensations more readily accessible. I think that the Buddha allowed for both those possibilities. He was teaching a wide cross section of people with different needs and temperaments.
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Re: Body v. Mind

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:12 am

Greetings Spiny,

Here we go, I found it...

Satipatthana sequencing
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=484

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Re: Body v. Mind

Postby Ben » Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:23 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Body v. Mind

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Re: Body v. Mind

Postby Ben » Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:11 pm

No problem Hoo!
Do you know about this dictionary: http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/pali/ ??
I find its an invaluable resource.
In future I'll try to be mindful and provide english translations of pali words I use.
kind regards

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Learn this from the waters:
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Re: Body v. Mind

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:12 pm

I can understand that to some degree Hoo. However as it frequently takes half a page of English to accurately translate a single term in Pali, many of us find it easier to learn a little Pali, the basic terms and concepts at least.
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Postby Phra Chuntawongso » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:25 pm

Come on Tilt.This could be laying down :zzz: meditation.Poor misunderstood bear.
And crawling on the planets face,some insects called the human race.
Lost in time
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"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Body v. Mind

Postby Ben » Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:00 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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