What about those who go off and meditate in solitude and don't associate with anyone?
Are any of you associating with "noble ones"?
Ben wrote:Hi being5,
Association with noble ones is a pre-condition but not a necessary pre-condition, if my memory serves me well.
A noble one is someone who has attained to one of the four fruition states, ie: a sotapanna, sakadagami, anagami or an arahant.What about those who go off and meditate in solitude and don't associate with anyone?
Indeed! One of the occassions for realization to occur is whilst in meditation.Are any of you associating with "noble ones"?
My teacher could be, but to be honest,I really don't know. To ask is considered rather rude.
And if anyone volunteers that he or she is an ariya, except if it is a very close friend and that person confides something to you about something they've experienced, you can bet your bottom dollar the person is either mistaken, delusional or a charletain.
Individual wrote:Did I say it right? Was it relevant?
being5 wrote:One of the four preconditions for reaching stream-entry is association with the noble ones.
Individual wrote:You could also mention:
- Sammasambuddha: Enlightened by one's own effort and teaching Dhamma to others (i.e., Siddattha Gotama... Man, that's SOME Buddha!)
- Paccekabuddha: Enlightened by one's own effort, but living a secluded life due to an inability or no intention to teach others (It's purely speculative who they might be talking about here)
- Savakabuddha: Enlightened by direct contact with a Buddha.
Hanzze wrote:rowyourboat wrote:Hi Hanzze
The difference between Pacceka/Sammasam ..Buddhas and arahanths is that the former are self taught. The latter learn the dhamma through the teachings of sammasambuddhas.
So they are only noble (in that context) after be trained. How to know if they are already trained?