Sanghamitta wrote:I would suggest though before leaving the dog to chase its own tail that those who feel that they have a Buddha given right to judge others should examine their own motives. You worry me far more than those who have the occasional drink.
I'm not trying to judge anyone.
Again, these are the only points I'm trying to make:
- The 5 precepts aren't commandments, but they are very clear in what they recommend, and the 5th precept clearly recommends we at least try to refrain from intoxicating drinks and drugs.
- The typical Buddhist undertakes 5 precepts. If you've undertaken the 5th precept, you should at least try to refrain from drinking.
- You don't HAVE to drink. If you need something to improve your health, there are a lot of natural remedies and herbs available. If you need something that tastes good, there is a whole assortment of non-alcoholic beers and other drinks.
I would guess that some of you have had bad experiences with alcohol yourselves or with those close to you.
I haven't. At worst I've seen people get a hangover or sick from it.
Whatever the reason I suggest that you look to yourselves rather than pontificate to others,
I have looked to myself. I see problems, and I'm actively trying to fix them.
But do you see a problem with drinking? Why does anyone need to drink at all when there are so many non-alcoholic alternatives? Why do they need the alcohol?
There is a naive and childish view found on this forum that drinking a glass of wine will invariably intoxicate and lead to craving.
In a very subtle way, it can get in the way of mindfulness.
Even 1 or 2 drinks can decrease inhibition, judgment, and reaction time.http://www.hsc.wvu.edu/som/cmed/alcohol/short-term.htm
Well it doesn't and it doesn't,,, not necessarily. There is an individual physiological response to alcohol just as there is to all we eat and drink.
Part of being a functioning adult is knowing what will effect us as individuals in terms of mindfulness.
Not telling others how they will or should react. I think a great deal of growing up is needed by the western Buddhist community in a number of areas. This and sexuality are two of them.
No one is telling you or anyone else to do anything. The only thing I'm suggesting is that if you aren't ready to undertake the 5th precept, you shouldn't undertake it, or try to reword it in a way that allows moderate drinking.