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Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby Sylvester » Sat Oct 16, 2010 7:29 am

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby Sanghamitta » Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:27 am

Another thread that has ended up chasing its own tail, round and round.

I am assuming that most people who read this forum are chronological adults able to exercise their own judgement,
Which is exactly what I am advocating that people should do re the fifth precept.
It is clearly a topic which arouses strong feeling and in some cases causes a e lapse into judgemental thinking and even a kind of of bullying tone. Some of the responses in my view breach right speech in their intemperance, Which is ironic when they are advocating temperance. Frankly I am getting pretty sick of logging on to Dhamma Wheel and finding some po-faced person telling someone else that they are not a Buddhist or are a second class Buddhist because they do such or dont believe such. Its like a bunch of Jesuits have taken over.
I have had nearly 40 years to think about these matters since I first took the precepts and I have reached a settled view. I frankly dont care much if anyone takes a different view.
I would suggest though before leaving the dog to chase its own tail that those who feel that they have a Buddha given right to judge others should examine their own motives. You worry me far more than those who have the occasional drink. I would guess that some of you have had bad experiences with alcohol yourselves or with those close to you.
Whatever the reason I suggest that you look to yourselves rather than pontificate to others,
Apart from anything else pontification is always counter productive.
Something that I have deliberately not mentioned because I didn't want to influence the debate by subjectivity is that I have not drunk alcohol for those 40 years. But I know far better and more conscientious Buddhists than me who do have the occasionally drink . There is a naive and childish view found on this forum that drinking a glass of wine will invariably intoxicate and lead to craving. Well it doesn't and it doesn't,,, not necessarily. There is an individual physiological response to alcohol just as there is to all we eat and drink.
Part of being a functioning adult is knowing what will effect us as individuals in terms of mindfulness.
Not telling others how they will or should react. I think a great deal of growing up is needed by the western Buddhist community in a number of areas. This and sexuality are two of them.
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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby Sanghamitta » Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:46 am

I dont find the discussion distasteful per se Mike. I am more than happy to read the views of others concerning why they think a teetotal view is the only logical way for them.
What irks me the notion that those who take a different view need lecturing and putting right.
Its the hectoring tone. The need to correct. The puritanical need to question the values of others that i find distasteful.
I agree that the Fifth precept is the easiest to keep. precisely because it doesn't deal in absolutes ( and that is a view shared by many of the more experienced Buddhists )and allows for mature reflection.
What irks me is the same as what irks me on the Rebirth threads.

I accept literal post mortem Rebirth, but see it reduced by some to an acme. A criterion that allows some members to decide that other members are not in the club.
In the same way I do not drink but I refuse to stand by when not drinking becomes another means of judging the sheep from the goats and to feel smug and superior. And smugness and superiority drips from some of the replies.
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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby Ben » Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:17 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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Postby Ben » Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:22 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby Ben » Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:34 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby Sanghamitta » Sat Oct 16, 2010 1:31 pm

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

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Re: Can a Buddhist drink alcohol in moderation?

Postby Sanghamitta » Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:27 pm

I dont drink Mettafuture. I took the precepts for the first time almost 40 years ago and did not drink much before, and not at all since.
BTW I was not "ready "40 years ago and my understanding of the precepts was not a once and for all matter. It is ongoing and continuous. Just as my Going For Refuge is a daily transformative process.
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