Nibbana-element with no residue

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Nibbana-element with no residue

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:16 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Nibbana-element with no residue

Postby Jechbi » Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:28 am

Hello Retro,

There's another translation that you might already have seen. It does not contain the phrase "in this very life." I wonder if the phrase "in this very life" is meant to convey some wording for which there is no direct English translation.

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Re: Nibbana-element with no residue

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Re: Nibbana-element with no residue

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:52 am

Greetings venerable Dhammanando,

Thank you for the explanation... that helps clarify things.

Greetings Jechbi ~ thank you for providing the alternative sutta quotation... it actually answers in the affirmative, my 2nd question about whether "being" could have been alternatively represented as "becoming".

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Nibbana-element with no residue

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Re: Nibbana-element with no residue

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Re: Nibbana before or after death of body?

Postby Will » Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:51 pm

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Nibbana-element with no residue

Postby Element » Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:02 pm

I still find it intriguing that Buddha has referred to non-dukkha elements, namely, the (five rather than six) sense spheres & vedana, as 'fuel' or 'residue'.

I wonder what the Pali is and how it is translated?

The term 'fuel' or 'fire' is usually a metaphor for dukkha elements, such as defilement, craving, etc.

For example, regarding the cessation of becoming, this occurs due to the cessation of craving. The cessation of becoming is unrelated to the sense spheres or vedana per se.

Thus, I find this sutta intriguing given I am not yet satisfied by its relevance.

The Buddha is saying there are two kinds of Nibbana: Nibbana with sense spheres & vedana and Nibbana without.

Maybe the translation "fuel" is inaccurate?

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Re: Nibbana-element with no residue

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Re: Nibbana-element with no residue

Postby gavesako » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:54 am

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