tiltbillings wrote:Isn't that something you smoke in order to get a divine buzz?bhanga
It appears it's usually a beverage.
Yes. You are quite correct. Another life time ago, my former significant-other's sister gave her a little baggie of locally grown wild cannabis. It sat in our kitchen for about a year or so. My former dear true (who proved to be so false) went off to some conference or other and being thoroughly bored, I decided to clean the kitchen and I found the long forgotten bag of weed, which I proceeded to throw away until I found an Indian cookbook that had a recipe for bhang. I fished out the pot, brewed up four cups of the stuff and drank one. Damn this stuff is crap, nothing is happening. I drank another, and I again came to the conclusion: damn this stuff is crap, nothing is happening. I'll try one more, and I started to feel a little buzz, at which I then drank the last cup. All this was in fairly short order. And then some fool pushed the express button to the top floor of the sixty story building in my head. I was so damned stoned so quickly I could not stand up, which I though was remarkably hilarious. I think I got unstoned sometime the next day, but I did not see god or anything. Just giggled and ate alot. Ah, the sixties.zavk wrote:tiltbillings wrote:Isn't that something you smoke in order to get a divine buzz?bhanga
It appears it's usually a beverage.
zavk wrote:Not born till the end of the next decade, but it sounds like my pre-Buddhist life (and I suspect others have experienced the same too). Well, aren't we all glad we found Buddhism? It's bhanga and not bhang for me now.
tiltbillings wrote:zavk wrote:Not born till the end of the next decade, but it sounds like my pre-Buddhist life (and I suspect others have experienced the same too). Well, aren't we all glad we found Buddhism? It's bhanga and not bhang for me now.
bhanga. Is that a Goenka thing? I am not really famaliar with the term.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el231.html
There are ten levels of knowledge in Vipassana, namely:
(iii) Bhanga: knowledge of the rapidly changing nature of Rupa and Nama as a swift current or stream of energy; in particular, clear awareness of the phase of dissolution.
Also discussed here as bhanga-ñana, knowledge of dissolution: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... html#ch6.5
5. Knowledge of Dissolution
Noticing the bodily and mental processes as they arise, he sees them part by part, link by link, piece by piece, fraction by fraction: "Just now it arises, just now it dissolves." When that knowledge of arising and passing away becomes mature, keen and strong, it will arise easily and proceed uninterruptedly as if borne onward of itself; also the bodily and mental processes will be easily discernible. When keen knowledge thus carries on and formations are easily discernible, then neither the arising of each bodily and mental process, nor its middle phase called "presence," nor the continuity of bodily and mental processes called "occurrence as unbroken flux" is apparent to him; nor are the shape of the hand, the foot, the face, the body, and so on, apparent to him. But what is apparent to him is only the ceasing of bodily and mental processes, called "vanishing," or "passing away," or "dissolution."
For instance, while noticing the rising movement of the abdomen, neither its initial nor middle phase is apparent, but only the ceasing or vanishing, which is called the final phase, is apparent; and so it is also with the falling movement of the abdomen. Again, in the case of bending an arm or leg, while noticing the act of bending, neither the initial nor the middle phase of bending is apparent, nor is the form of the limb apparent, but only the final phase of ceasing and vanishing is apparent. It is similar in the other cases of stretching a limb, and so on.
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"Now suppose that in the autumn — when it's raining in fat, heavy drops — a water bubble were to appear & disappear on the water, and a man with good eyesight were to see it, observe it, & appropriately examine it. To him — seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it — it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in a water bubble? In the same way, a monk sees, observes, & appropriately examines any feeling that is past, future, or present; internal or external; blatant or subtle; common or sublime; far or near. To him — seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it — it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in feeling?
Monkey Mind wrote: I have often wondered about whether the experience of bhanga was power of suggestion or something unique to the technique.
mikenz66 wrote:Hi MM,Monkey Mind wrote: I have often wondered about whether the experience of bhanga was power of suggestion or something unique to the technique.
I don't have enough experience with different approaches to say be certain, but my limited experience has been that different things tend to be more likely to arise with particular techniques. The body scanning seems to induce this particular thing to arise reasonably easily. My normal technique is Mahasi and the closest thing I get using that is that I can be watching the rising and falling of the abdomen and it can start to feel like it's kind of "churning" in a circular sort of manner, rather than feeling like rising and falling. A possibly related effect is when the experience become jerky. Kind of like watching people dance under a strobe - the "flashes" of "noticing" become discontinuous. A more distant possibly related effect is the body seeming to be disappearing, which is talked about by samatha-oriented teachers, such as Ajahn Brahm.
I don't think any of these details really matter. They can be useful to your teacher diagnosing where you are, but for the student it's just something to observe without getting excited or alarmed...
rowyourboat wrote:I think it is amateurishness to use a term before one has fully mastered what it is, in a role and status which requires absolute responsibility.
"That's the way it is, Kassapa. When beings are degenerating and the true Dhamma is disappearing, there are more training rules and yet fewer monks established in final gnosis. There is no disappearance of the true Dhamma as long as a counterfeit of the true Dhamma has not arisen in the world, but there is the disappearance of the true Dhamma when a counterfeit of the true Dhamma has arisen in the world. Just as there is no disappearance of gold as long as a counterfeit of gold has not arisen in the world, but there is the disappearance of gold when a counterfeit of gold has arisen in the world, in the same way there is no disappearance of the true Dhamma as long as a counterfeit of the true Dhamma has not arisen in the world, but there is the disappearance of the true Dhamma when a counterfeit of the true Dhamma has arisen in the world.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
Sorry it is painful, but I got to take the sting out.
smokey wrote:I have a question. Does anyone on this forum have any insight knowledge gained with vipassana? I know that the first insight knowledge is discrimination of mind and body, has anyone gained that knowledge? Please do state and describe your insight knowledge.
With Metta - smokey
David N. Snyder wrote:The Zen master Roshi Kapleau was asked if he was enlightened. He responded, "if I say no, all the beginners will leave and never come back. If I say yes, all of the advanced students will leave and never come back."
A Zen master, but the response could apply to anyone from any tradition.
And for those of use who are not familiar with these term and issues, please be kind enough to explain them.rowyourboat wrote:Hi Ben
I was referring to the use of the term Bhanga in a way not denoting but causing confusion with the commentarial bhanga nana. Hence the pseudo-gold analogy, if that is the case, could be quite dangerous.
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