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Temporary ordination practicalities

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby rowyourboat » Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:33 am

Hello All

As some of you might know (or not) Sri Lanka does not have a practice of temporary ordination. We either go for it or not at all (unfortunately I think). However I have been toying with the idea of getting this practice started maybe a few years in the future. However my concern is one of practicalities- how do people in other countries (Thailand, Burma) take time off from their duties for a few months (years?) to do this? Would love to hear how people have done it/known to do it.

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby Ben » Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:41 am

Hi RYB

I imagine one either goes before one has significant responsibilities or after those responsibilities have left home (following retirement).
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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby pilgrim » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:25 am

I know of a reputable centre in Sri Lanka that does temporary ordinations - the Buddhist Cultural Centre
http://buddhistcc.net/

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby pilgrim » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:11 am

and heres a link to an article about temporary ordination in Sri Lanka
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php ... 44,0,0,1,0

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby Ytrog » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:19 pm

Why would a temporary (as in intentionally very short-lived, not as impermanent) ordination be a good thing? In my view ordination is a commitment you take for the rest of your life and you only disrobe if you see no other option.

Why introduce such a thing? I know it is tradition in some countries, but it seems a bit dishonest to me to ordain while knowing in advance that you are going to disrobe.

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby tiltbillings » Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:54 am

Thanks, and good luck. It will interesting to see how it received among the monastic powers that be.

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby rowyourboat » Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:00 pm

I think it is a good cause in any case..

I wondered if there was a minimum time period over which one can take on robes. I wonder if any learned person can help me out?

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:09 pm

In Thailand it is common to ordain for as little as a few days. I think a week would be the normal minimum. Unless you have a reasonably large number of monks then full ordination is not possible, so at my local Wat those temporarily ordained are novices. However, if it's only going to be for a few days or weeks then I don't see a lot of practical difference between novice and full ordination and personally I'd feel a bit uncomfortable about taking on full ordination for a short time.

I used to look on temporary ordination as just a cultural thing that Thai men have to do to be considered suitable for marriage, and so on. That's still clearly a reason for many ordinations, but I have talked to some of the local Thai men who have done it and they did find it very helpful. And one of my teachers (who is American, not Thai) was quite positive about it, assuring me that I'd learn things about myself by being a novice for a few weeks that I wouldn't otherwise learn by doing retreats or helping out at a Wat. His rather mind-blowing suggestion was to ordain in NZ (so it could be a family thing here) then fly to Thailand to see how it felt arriving there in the robes, then spend a few weeks at a meditation-oriented Wat. That would be great if I could find the time...

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby Goofaholix » Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:42 am

In general I think temporary ordination is a bad thing and only contributes to reducing the quality of the monastic sangha. However I did ordain for 3 months before getting married because I knew it would mean a lot to my wifes family and because it was a good opportunity for a long retreat which I knew would be more difficult to have later on.

I learned a lot from the experience but that has more to do with the choice of Wat I stayed in and with my state of mind than it did with the extra rules I followed and the robes I wore.

One can live in a monastery as an Anagarika or a layman and I think there's nothing wrong with that and it should be good enough for someone who is only planning to be there for a short time.

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Re: Temporary ordination practicalities

Postby Paññāsikhara » Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:29 am

Remember that the spirit - if not the absolute letter - of the eight uposatha precepts is that of living the life of the renunciant. So, when it comes to minimum time, this practice is already established. One could go the other way, and suggest rather than short term ordination, long term eight precept uposatha. Though probably most people would prefer the former, for various reasons. Though really, there is very little difference at all.
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